Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-10-2010 | 07:04 AM
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Great first start. Now if we can get some targeted changes to the RLA, prior to 2012 of course, then that would be fantastic.
05-10-2010 | 07:06 AM
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Beat me to it:
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05-10-2010 | 07:16 AM
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I think that I would be in real trouble with the reserve system. Reading all the post on here about SC/LC yellow slip , moving days and when to check the computer I am sure I would muck it up. I hope I don't have to figure it out anytime soon. I am suprised that I haven't screwed up my bid bad enough to get reserve, knock on wood.
05-10-2010 | 07:16 AM
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05-10-2010 | 07:17 AM
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True, but the company can also directly furlough pilots without the shuffling around.
Can't play defense ALL the time.
In stagant times, with maybe 2 bids a year, you can have people languishing in positions that have an untennable QoL because they got stuck in a bad spot when the music stopped.
Even people who just want to change bases are blocked for months on end.
Having experienced both systems, I AM warming up to the way DAL does some things, but I don't see much that recommends the AE thing over the APA system.
1) No more random guesswork and fretting when the next bid will be. No built up angst.
2) The APA system allows you to see which way the wind is blowing before jumping in. You see a lot of people on the web board clamoring for "practice bids". With the APA system, there is no need.
3) People don't have a meltdown worrying about their bids. Miss one? No problemo, there will be one next month. No need to re-arrange your whole life to grab a once a year bid.
4) People who just want to swap bases can do so without waiting forever.
5) People who get stuck in a bad spot can bid out sooner, rather than dealing with a BAD commute or reserve for months on end. This is especially important now that lineholding is no longer guarenteed.
6) No more guess work when you will be "converted". The APA system worked 4 months out. You knew exactly when you would be in the seat. As opposed to up to a year under the AE system.
7) Along with 6, you can plan your training. Don't want to train in the summer? Pull your bid until Fall.
8) When you got an award under the APA system, you "owned" it. The only way you wouldn't get it is if they displaced you. Bids could't just be "cancelled".
So far, the only minus we've heard is that the AE system provides maybe (just maybe) a speedbump to furlough.
As I said, you can't play defense all the time.
Nu
Can't play defense ALL the time.
In stagant times, with maybe 2 bids a year, you can have people languishing in positions that have an untennable QoL because they got stuck in a bad spot when the music stopped.
Even people who just want to change bases are blocked for months on end.
Having experienced both systems, I AM warming up to the way DAL does some things, but I don't see much that recommends the AE thing over the APA system.
1) No more random guesswork and fretting when the next bid will be. No built up angst.
2) The APA system allows you to see which way the wind is blowing before jumping in. You see a lot of people on the web board clamoring for "practice bids". With the APA system, there is no need.
3) People don't have a meltdown worrying about their bids. Miss one? No problemo, there will be one next month. No need to re-arrange your whole life to grab a once a year bid.
4) People who just want to swap bases can do so without waiting forever.
5) People who get stuck in a bad spot can bid out sooner, rather than dealing with a BAD commute or reserve for months on end. This is especially important now that lineholding is no longer guarenteed.
6) No more guess work when you will be "converted". The APA system worked 4 months out. You knew exactly when you would be in the seat. As opposed to up to a year under the AE system.
7) Along with 6, you can plan your training. Don't want to train in the summer? Pull your bid until Fall.
8) When you got an award under the APA system, you "owned" it. The only way you wouldn't get it is if they displaced you. Bids could't just be "cancelled".
So far, the only minus we've heard is that the AE system provides maybe (just maybe) a speedbump to furlough.
As I said, you can't play defense all the time.
Nu
05-10-2010 | 07:36 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Anyone know where "reasonable" time to get to the airport can be found in writing? Crew Scheduling tells me that their computers are programmed for 120 Minutes to wheels up, instead of show time at the airport.
Every day we are seeing equipment substitutions in ATL where other fleets are called on to perform MD88 rotations. The 06:30 show times are covered with 05:00 short calls at anywhere from 10:00 the prior day to 03:30 the day of the rotation. CS does not notify the pilot due to rest and the fact these are assigned at an odd ball time makes it difficult to anticipate when to check the schedule. In any event, the computer does the assigning and if it is programmed to 2 hours to wheels up - that's a change, isn't it?
Just curious. Everyone does the best they can to avoid late start flights, but taking an hour away during rush hour might not be the optimal solution for CS, or the pilots.
Every day we are seeing equipment substitutions in ATL where other fleets are called on to perform MD88 rotations. The 06:30 show times are covered with 05:00 short calls at anywhere from 10:00 the prior day to 03:30 the day of the rotation. CS does not notify the pilot due to rest and the fact these are assigned at an odd ball time makes it difficult to anticipate when to check the schedule. In any event, the computer does the assigning and if it is programmed to 2 hours to wheels up - that's a change, isn't it?
Just curious. Everyone does the best they can to avoid late start flights, but taking an hour away during rush hour might not be the optimal solution for CS, or the pilots.
05-10-2010 | 07:46 AM
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I'm curious, though. What computer does a crew scheduler have that has a shortcall time programmed into it?
05-10-2010 | 07:54 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Slow,
I don't know what software they use to assign trips. Their default position when you question an assignment is that "it's legal." After agreeing with them that's it's legal and you're doing the best you can, the follow up question is "why did you assign a 05:00 short call to a 6:30 departure instead of one of the 03:00 people?" They answer to that is, "we don't do it, the computer does it. The computer looks for availability two hours prior to departure time."
IMHO, that software should be written to 3 hours, as to:
Especially if we have the coverage anyway and the earlier reserve isn't being utilized.
I always thought the two hours was to the airport, not to wheels up. If they changed it, they took an hour away. But others have used this system for years and maybe there is an angle I'm not considering. Hence the vetting here. Thanks for your reply.
I don't know what software they use to assign trips. Their default position when you question an assignment is that "it's legal." After agreeing with them that's it's legal and you're doing the best you can, the follow up question is "why did you assign a 05:00 short call to a 6:30 departure instead of one of the 03:00 people?" They answer to that is, "we don't do it, the computer does it. The computer looks for availability two hours prior to departure time."
IMHO, that software should be written to 3 hours, as to:
- Not burden the other pilots with doing the job of the reserve pilot
- Allow the reserve pilot sufficient time to perform duties like checking wx, bulletins and pubs
- Allow sufficient time for briefings / safety, etc ...
- Avoid rushing, and a disaster if hat or ID is left in wrong car, leaving last night's fish in the garbage, or any of the other things that occur when you have 5 minutes notice of a 4 day trip.
Especially if we have the coverage anyway and the earlier reserve isn't being utilized.
I always thought the two hours was to the airport, not to wheels up. If they changed it, they took an hour away. But others have used this system for years and maybe there is an angle I'm not considering. Hence the vetting here. Thanks for your reply.
05-10-2010 | 08:01 AM
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Here,for the first time outside of Fort Widget, is a view of tha actual software in use.
Crew Sked software
Crew Sked software
05-10-2010 | 08:05 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Here,for the first time outside of Fort Widget, is a view of tha actual software in use.
Crew Sked software
Crew Sked software
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