Originally Posted by keenster (Post 834337)

There in lies the problem. When you sat in a NWA jet in the right seat you knew exactly what the guy in the left seat expected and you did exactly the same thing in the right seat every flight, no guessing what is this guy going to do and expect. As well you knew exactly what the guy in the left was going to do. This allowed immediate recognition of a guy that might be out to lunch and then you knew you had to be on your toes if that was the case. Just saying how it used to be not that it is better than DAL because I can not judge how you guys run things until I exerience flying with enough guys to make a judgement.

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 834399)

And, flash forward (and I commented about this about a year ago and don't want to have to go back and do that search): Delta, as opposed to the former NWA, has always empowered the FO's. We have also known what the guy in the left seat was going to do: its a team effort. The pilot flying the leg inputs all of the flying stuff into the boxes. The other guy, the PM, would do the walk-around and the preflight. Whoever flies that leg briefs the leg, the departure, the taxi, the threats, etc. Works great, lasts a long time. Delta has always emphasized a healthy CRM cockpit without the caste system that interferes with safe flight. Maybe because we have a lot of guys, like me, with a lot of experience in aviation but a junior seniority number. Its a cultural thing: but I damn sure guarantee you that it does not invite some kid in the right seat watching his CA fly a stupid approach or doing anything that might get the both of them violated. I understand the fNWA approach. As a pilot of 27 years, I kind of like the Delta approach.

Originally Posted by Gnewt (Post 834462)

-Worldflight produced a better formatted, easier to read dispatch product.
-AWABS is simpler.
-The DAL manuals are an abomination.
-The NW training product was far more consistant. Train the way you will

Originally Posted by Gnewt (Post 834462)

-The DAL manuals are an abomination.

Originally Posted by satchip (Post 834236)

Dude, that's a Dc 10...:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 834468)

Questions:
-Do you (or anyone else) have a copy of a worldflight flightplan... any one will do.. that we could all see and make a comparison. FWIW, I think you would be hard pressed to find many south siders that like the FPS2 format. It came about after some rocket surgeon decided it needed a change from a previous format... and it is what it is.
-No argument about the manuals
-I have no idea about either the training or AWABS comparison.. I'll take your word on that, but I will say this: Training has gotten much much better now that it is not an "evaluation" product.

Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 834492)

Just went through small bus training in MSP and hope to never see Virginia Avenue again. They should bulldoze the South training center and move everything up here. The only bad thing I saw was that there are some DGS guys showing up here in MSP. We had one who should be going to IHOP for the senior discount dinner instead of continuing to work.