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Originally Posted by BigGuns
(Post 536994)
Lastest and Greatest about Delta....??? Where is this thread going??
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I repressed the AE.
Talking about Compass, CRJs and EMBs was what my psychiatrist recommended. I even ventured off this thread but accidently wandered into the red light district of the regional thread, got lost, scared, mugged and then I came running back. |
You guys crack me up.
This thread was about interviews and new hires. Everything off that topic is a thread drift which means that almost all of it is a thread drift until you actually start hiring again. |
Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
(Post 536997)
They were talking like the cost would be different if compass was stapled. The costs would be the same, staple or in it's current form. It's the last sentence.
With Compass, they'd have to train me in the EMB175. If they furlough more, then I could possible be out on the street from Compass so they'd have to train my replacement. Remember, for operational reasons furloughs typically come in stages. If they announce 1,000 furloughs, not all 1,000 will hit the streets the same day. It will be a staggered pull down. Even if I couldn't hold Compass for the duration of the furlough, they would either have to train me for the interim and then train the guy senior to me flowing down, or they would have to pay me as a Compass pilot although I'm not flying until I'm finally on the street. Either way, it's going to cost the company money which it otherwise might not incur. Eric, just out of curiosity, what type of outfit do you fly for? Legacy, LCC, regional, corporate? You don't have to say the company, but knowing your background will help me see where you're coming from. |
Originally Posted by upndsky
(Post 537245)
Eric, just out of curiosity, what type of outfit do you fly for? Legacy, LCC, regional, corporate? You don't have to say the company, but knowing your background will help me see where you're coming from.
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Originally Posted by upndsky
(Post 537245)
Yes and no. Take me for example. I'm a junior FO on the ER and definitely furlough bait. Without Compass, I'd hit the street and that would be it, especially if they use the furloughs to shrink the category. In that case, there wouldn't be a need to train my replacement.
With Compass, they'd have to train me in the EMB175. If they furlough more, then I could possible be out on the street from Compass so they'd have to train my replacement. Remember, for operational reasons furloughs typically come in stages. If they announce 1,000 furloughs, not all 1,000 will hit the streets the same day. It will be a staggered pull down. Even if I couldn't hold Compass for the duration of the furlough, they would either have to train me for the interim and then train the guy senior to me flowing down, or they would have to pay me as a Compass pilot although I'm not flying until I'm finally on the street. Either way, it's going to cost the company money which it otherwise might not incur. Eric, just out of curiosity, what type of outfit do you fly for? Legacy, LCC, regional, corporate? You don't have to say the company, but knowing your background will help me see where you're coming from. Very good points! Lets make sure this doesn't ever get let go by our MEC when the company comes knocking on the door asking for relief. Tell them hell no! I can see it now that our MEC buckes the jr guys and gives this away as relief for a nice shinny nickle. It is definitely a road block for the company for furloughing and should not be taken for granted by our union as to its value. I surely hope not, but it wouldn't shock me. Maybe not even for a shinny nickel, since I still don't see what we got for giving away growth opportunities out west by allowing a code share with Alaska to do all the work. That should not have happened without some nice extra raises to boot! |
Originally Posted by Imapilot2
(Post 537543)
Very good points! Lets make sure this doesn't ever get let go by our MEC when the company comes knocking on the door asking for relief. Tell them hell no! I can see it now that our MEC buckes the jr guys and gives this away as relief for a nice shinny nickle. It is definitely a road block for the company for furloughing and should not be taken for granted by our union as to its value. I surely hope not, but it wouldn't shock me. Maybe not even for a shinny nickel, since I still don't see what we got for giving away growth opportunities out west by allowing a code share with Alaska to do all the work. That should not have happened without some nice extra raises to boot!
And I don't even know where to start with the AS codeshare:mad: |
Originally Posted by upndsky
(Post 537245)
Yes and no. Take me for example. I'm a junior FO on the ER and definitely furlough bait. Without Compass, I'd hit the street and that would be it, especially if they use the furloughs to shrink the category. In that case, there wouldn't be a need to train my replacement.
With Compass, they'd have to train me in the EMB175. If they furlough more, then I could possible be out on the street from Compass so they'd have to train my replacement. Remember, for operational reasons furloughs typically come in stages. If they announce 1,000 furloughs, not all 1,000 will hit the streets the same day. It will be a staggered pull down. Even if I couldn't hold Compass for the duration of the furlough, they would either have to train me for the interim and then train the guy senior to me flowing down, or they would have to pay me as a Compass pilot although I'm not flying until I'm finally on the street. Either way, it's going to cost the company money which it otherwise might not incur. Eric, just out of curiosity, what type of outfit do you fly for? Legacy, LCC, regional, corporate? You don't have to say the company, but knowing your background will help me see where you're coming from. I agree with you on this. The argument that someone seemed to make is that there would be a difference if the compass pilots were stapled vs. the way it is now. (flow through) If delta furloughed 300, those pilots go to compass and compass pilots hit the street with the way it is now. If they were stapled and delta furloughed 300 the bottom 300 (compass) would hit the street and 300 others would have to fill the compass 175s. The training costs are still there as long as the 175s aren't the fleet that is shrinking. Does that make sense. The more airplane types that you have the higher the re-training costs will be during a furlough. Compass just adds 1 more plane to the mix whether stapled or flowing down. If delta and southwest each furloughed 300 the delta cost to retrain would be huge compared to southwest because they wouldn't have to retrain. I've done some corporate but I work for the airlines now. I won't say where I'm at because people sometimes put more weight on where you've been rather than what you are actually saying. Does that make sense? |
Originally Posted by Imapilot2
(Post 537543)
Very good points! Lets make sure this doesn't ever get let go by our MEC when the company comes knocking on the door asking for relief. Tell them hell no! I can see it now that our MEC buckes the jr guys and gives this away as relief for a nice shinny nickle. It is definitely a road block for the company for furloughing and should not be taken for granted by our union as to its value. I surely hope not, but it wouldn't shock me. Maybe not even for a shinny nickel, since I still don't see what we got for giving away growth opportunities out west by allowing a code share with Alaska to do all the work. That should not have happened without some nice extra raises to boot!
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Pvac
Off the subject.
What is PVAC, I was awarded it for 1 Feb and only did a "Prefer off" in PBS for that. Also iCrew shows PVAC 1 Feb - 1 Feb, and 12 Jul - 22 Jul 09. I didn't ask for that. This is my first year obviously... Thanks, |
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