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Originally Posted by obx41
(Post 536938)
I do agree with the poster that said that the existence of Compass has probably prevented furloughs and flow-backs due to the high training expense. That is actually a valid argument against the staple.
If they furlough now, they have the training costs. If compass planes and pilots were part of delta they would still have to retrain pilots and have those training costs. If delta had one fleet like southwest then there wouldn't be training costs. With compass, either way there is a training cost. |
Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
(Post 536958)
If compass was stapled or in it's current form how does it prevent furloughs?
If they furlough now, they have the training costs. If compass planes and pilots were part of delta they would still have to retrain pilots and have those training costs. If delta had one fleet like southwest then there wouldn't be training costs. With compass, either way there is a training cost. |
Originally Posted by DeadHead
(Post 536952)
Not picking an argument with you so don't take it that way, but I find those first two statements ironic in a way. I'm not calling out specific regional company, I'm just making a point about thinking mainline labor groups can do something to prevent whipsawing at the regional level. Mainline pilot groups don't decide which regional carriers will get contracts with their company. Those decisions go back to management ultimately.
I actually agree alot with that last statement, because ALPA National offers to represent a regional pilot group without question. I'm not a union expert by any means, but I feel as though ALPA National should be tougher on labor groups that are not adequately pushing for better contract changes. When the nwa pilots agreed to the compass deal did they increase the whipsawing or did they help out mesaba and pinnacle? The contract that nwa agreed to for compass is even worse than their bankruptcy contract. All the other majors know what happens when you loosen scope? Why have any of the majors given up any flying? When mesa was fighting against the freedom start up or trans states against the gojets start up did the majors do or say anything. Most airlines including the majors even gave them rides to work. The problem is most pilots don't even care until it is happening to them. |
Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
(Post 536967)
Because ALL of the associated training costs would have to be absorbed in house. If there was no Compass and therefore no flow back agreement and NW/DL furloughed...that would cost them nothin until they recalled the pilots. With the flowback, the cost of training the furloughed pilots at Compass and then retraining them at DL and retraining the furloughed Compass guy(s) that get bumped off the list all ultimately get absorbed by DL.
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
(Post 536980)
I will agree that the flow back adds training costs but it is the same cost as if compass was part of delta. If there was no flow back then there is no training cost at the compass level.
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Lastest and Greatest about Delta....??? Where is this thread going??
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
(Post 536991)
True...but OBX14's post that you quoted said nothing about a staple or Compass being dissolved into mainline. He was making the point that Compass in it's current form provides a negative financial incentive for DL to furlough for the reasons I listed.
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
(Post 536994)
Lastest and Greatest about Delta....??? Where is this thread going??
As with other stuff delta isn't hiring or furloughing at the moment and the 90 rumor is still alive.:D |
Originally Posted by BigGuns
(Post 536994)
Lastest and Greatest about Delta....??? Where is this thread going??
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
(Post 536994)
Lastest and Greatest about Delta....??? Where is this thread going??
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