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johnso29 01-12-2009 11:07 AM

So who HONESTLY thinks we can recapture the 70 seat flying? Is it possible? How do we go about it? I think we should start planning NOW! I really have no idea how to go about it, but I know we have pilots in this group who are intelligent enough to organize and start this campaign. Any ideas? Am I just waaaaaay out there thinking we can do this?

IndyAir Guy 01-12-2009 11:29 AM

"So who HONESTLY thinks we can recapture the 70 seat flying? Is it possible? How do we go about it? I think we should start planning NOW!"

If you think you can do it cheaper, then go for it.

iaflyer 01-12-2009 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 536263)
Anyone want to ballpark what it'd cost us to get 76 seaters on the DAL mainline pilot side? Are we talking giving up $5/hr, $10/hr, or more plus work rules? Or just creating another Delta Express?

I think one of the things we (Delta pilots) are up against is that at a regional, everyone is paid less - pilots, flight attendants, dispatchers, mechanics, even the cost of the corporate headquarters. So I don't think it is just a matter of matching the pay rates of the regional pilots.

There are ways of cutting costs or increasing revenue other ways: less turnover (less training costs), possibly lower training costs (because we're training 5000 hour pilots than 500 hour pilots) maybe better on-time rates which might bring better revenue. Less cost of negotiating contracts with the regional provider. Anyway - just some ideas.

capncrunch 01-12-2009 02:19 PM

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acl65pilot 01-12-2009 02:22 PM

Do not forget that no matter how hard a company tries they can never be a good as their mainline partner. I am referring to the consistence of service. I know I used to work for a DCI carrier. The environment of low cost and competing for contracts, just does not jive with it.
Majors are finally looking at what the connections carriers cost them in lack of service. Fact is that, that number is quite staggering.

capncrunch 01-12-2009 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 536330)
Wasatch,

Actually the jets were already here, and flying regularly. The scope change didn't allow for new jets, it allowed seats.

PG

I think it is more a matter that the DCIs of the world exist at all.

PilotFrog 01-12-2009 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 535789)
Someone mention a DC9/MD95/717 with RJ engines on it and Rockwell flight deck? Being done. As far as I know, "not interested." The 4th generation RJ's are better airplanes than the 11th generation DC9. There is the other advantage of being able to push the cost of acquisition off balance sheet to a subcontractor.

AVIC I ARJ21-700 - arj21 - AirSpace

AVIC I ARJ21-700 - arj21 - AirSpace

ACAC ARJ21 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Douglas/Boeing left the MD90 tooling in China from the Trunkliner program... what do you know, the Chinese use it to build airplanes. But as the Chief Designer admits...

Isn't just amazing that some version of the DC9 is still being built half a century after its' first design was laid out with pencils and slide rules?

Not only that but it is a conglomoration (sp?) of US (MD-90)/Russian (new wing) and Chinese tech. Pretty interesting.

tsquare 01-12-2009 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by Eric Stratton (Post 536215)
It's alway next time isn't it.

THAT is the understatement of this industry... :mad:

Wasatch Phantom 01-12-2009 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 536484)
Do not forget that no matter how hard a company tries they can never be a good as their mainline partner. I am referring to the consistence of service. I know I used to work for a DCI carrier. The environment of low cost and competing for contracts, just does not jive with it.
Majors are finally looking at what the connections carriers cost them in lack of service. Fact is that, that number is quite staggering.


Acl,

I'm very glad they're taking a hard look at the difference in service, and its negative effect on the mainline carrier.

I have never met anyone who prefers DCI carriers to mainline, rather they would be willing to pay more to avoid flying on a RJ and get mainline service.

However, I believe Skywest (for example) has a contract that is very beneficial to them and is probably very difficult to renegotiate the terms or cancel the contact.

Tinpusher007 01-12-2009 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 536337)
So who HONESTLY thinks we can recapture the 70 seat flying? Is it possible? How do we go about it? I think we should start planning NOW! I really have no idea how to go about it, but I know we have pilots in this group who are intelligent enough to organize and start this campaign. Any ideas? Am I just waaaaaay out there thinking we can do this?

I for one, hope you guys can. The largest single pilot group in the world (?) would possibly have a shot if anyone would. The latest with bit with these 15 900's having 4 tentative homes in less than a year just illustrates how ridiculous this whole thing is.


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