So wait a minute... I thought that during the SLI hearings that there was testimony from the NW side that said there would be bunches of guys that would leave prior to 65 due to the frozen retirement plan and how it maxes out. So I guess what you are saying is that even though the retirement will shrink a little, it is nothing compared to how the insurance rates will increase... is that correct?:confused:

OK if it makes you feel better back onto DAL property..... From what I am reading the program will mirror the one at FNWA which is a good program with no disiplanery action! As for the "call in honest" I guess I should have said that I hope we can get it something like FNWA has. If we have a backup flight on NWA we get a space positive pass to work. This is nice as you can actually plan your commute.

None of this is a dig at DAL, heck I am now a proud DAL employee! It is just nice to see good programs from BOTH sides prevail!

We had a company lawyer in our class a year ago and he was saying there was (also) an issue with ASAP because of the Comair crash with the plantiff lawyers demanding access to the increminating evidence found within the program. We had been told DALPA had a problem with it but he indicated the company had a problem with it as well.

ASAP is a fantastic program, so is FOQA data, especially when they publish the data so we can read it. We had both on the regional side and it did wonders for getting everyone into standardization compliance.

But I could see how trial lawyers would be all over it especially if the situation was pilot error and asap is full of pilot error. When I was at Coex they found out via FOQA data that 80 or 90% of our approaches into PSP were unstabilized. The great part was that the company responded with bulletins, increased emphasis on stabilized approaches, talking to PSP ATC and so forth to correct it. Now, what if we had burried an airplane off the end of the runway and the lawyers found out 80% of the approaches didn't meet company specs? Is the program ironclad protected from trial lawyers? Does or can the government for the purpose of safety make it off limits?

Looks like the DAL projected training is out. From what I can see it looks like everyone will be converted by the end of June.

Ironic...

January 28, 2009

To: All Pilots

Subject: Delta Pilot Aviation Safety Action Program (Pilot ASAP)

Today we are pleased to report that Delta Air Lines has signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to reinstate its Aviation Safety Action Program (ASAP) covering pre-merger Delta pilots.

ASAP was created to improve flight safety by providing greater insight into the total flight operations environment through the systematic identification and resolution of potential hazards and human errors, with the full cooperation of all interested parties. Individual flight crewmembers are encouraged to submit reports to identify safety concerns. The safety data is used to develop corrective action and to educate the appropriate parties to prevent a recurrence of the same type of event.

Since Delta’s pilot ASAP program was suspended in 2006, ALPA, Delta and the FAA have worked tirelessly and collectively to establish a solid foundation for reinstatement of the ASAP Program. Northwest Airlines has continuously and successfully operated a Pilot ASAP program (called NASAP) for the last eight years. As a benefit of the merger, we have each agreed to leverage the considerable experience NWA brings to ASAP. This new program will carry with it associated protections from FAA certificate action and company disciplinary actions for reports accepted into the program. More importantly, it will establish the groundwork for unprecedented safety data collection, analysis, and action.

Former NWA pilots will see no change in the current NASAP program. In the coming weeks, pre-merger Delta pilots will begin receiving materials designed to provide information on the ASAP program. Once this material has been distributed, we expect to officially reinstate the ASAP program the first week of March. The exact start up date will be communicated to you as we approach that time period.

Until Delta and NWA are combined into a single operating certificate, anticipated sometime in late 2009, former NWA pilots and Delta pilots will operate two ASAP programs. Upon the issuance of a single operating certificate, these two ASAP programs will merge into one. The transition to a single program should be transparent to line pilots.

In addition to reestablishing the Pilot ASAP program, Delta currently operates ASAP programs for Dispatchers and TechOps employees. NWA operates ASAP programs for Pilots, Dispatchers and Load Planners. As we move forward together, the new Delta will be the largest user of voluntary safety reporting systems in the nation, with six programs covering over 17,000 employees. We look forward to reestablishing Pilot ASAP at Delta in the next few weeks. Your support and participation are critical to the success of this program.

Looking at the training stuff right now. Bout what I thought, now, back to that other thread. Wondering if I'm going to 767 recurrent or not. For those converting in June, sucks to miss out on greenslips (if there are any) on either airplane but then again that 180 day rule is extended just that much longer.

You are correct - someday this will once again be a great career. After reading your post I was in a good mood for 3 minutes and 7 seconds until hearing a classic CCR song on the radio - "Someday never comes." ;)

Scoop

I guess I will be the first to ask the question. If my MD training is sked for March and conversion May and my recurrent is sked for the exact same time frame. I'm guessing I will just to my MD training and not recurrent??

And when will we find out the exact training dates ??

That would be a good guess. It would be what I would assume. I would also call crew planning.

You will not be sent to recurrent if you have already started MD training under any circumstances. If they schedule you for recurrent and its not your grace month and your MD training is schedule later that month or next month they will normally drop it with a phone call.
Training itself must be posted by the 5th the month prior. If your going in May they have to post the exact dates by 5 Apr.