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acl65pilot 08-11-2010 05:03 AM

Another milestone eh FtB?

forgot to bid 08-11-2010 05:13 AM

Yes. I had to chose a pic fast though.

tsquare 08-11-2010 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 853940)
I would like to see the deadline remain and then within say 48 hrs, reserves could pick up a trip in open time.

That would entail having a reserve system that didn't abrogate seniority... would allow you to actually pick up something.. yada yada yada.. Yeah I know.. back into the box T....

tsquare 08-11-2010 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 854066)
Looks like Michael Vick found something more entertaining than dogs fighting dogs.

Too bad that wasn't Vick instead of a retarded pit bull... oops.. sorry for the redundancy

johnso29 08-11-2010 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 853940)
I would like to see the deadline remain and then within say 48 hrs, reserves could pick up a trip in open time.

My old job had an Aggressive Pickup Window(APW) The morning of your last X-Day there was a 1 hour window in the morning in which reserves could call on a 1st come, 1st serve basis and pick up open time on their reserve days. The trip remained available to a lineholder to WS until 10 hours before report. It was a nice system.

sailingfun 08-11-2010 06:43 AM

There are a couple of issues with trip pickups and swaps. The system could be reprogrammed to allow swaps the morning prior or even real time. There would have to be some programming in place to insure someone did not WS a special airport they were not qualified into as the company would not have time to scheduled a check airman.
The real problem with this however is that it would be a severe degradation of trip quality for reserves. If you allowed line holders last minute swaps the reserves would always end up with total s--t! That is the main reason the system is what it is. It gives the reserves a chance at some decent trips. I don't plan on ever being on reserve again and a later swap window would be great for me but i think it would not be fair to reserve pilots.
On the subject of why there is a pickup limit for WS and not GS the answer is easy. There is no PU limit for GS because there is a huge economic penalty to the company to award a GS. The double pay is designed to force the company to man the airline correctly. If you allowed WS pickups with no limits then the company would have no incentive to man the airline correctly.
The company would also be able to furlough a bunch of pilots.
I once had a new hire SO complain how ALPA was screwing him but not letting him fly as much as he wanted and we should have no cap. I asked him how much he would make with no cap. He said he would fly 100 hours a month and it would be a 25 percent raise. I told him he was wrong. If the cap were dropped his pay rate would be zero because he would be on the street furloughed. I am still not sure he got it.

TheManager 08-11-2010 06:54 AM

The JFK Solution
 
Delta Air Lines, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and JFK International Air Terminal Unveil Plans for Enhancement and Expansion of Terminal 4 at JFK Airport - Yahoo! Finance

RoughLandings 08-11-2010 07:12 AM

Looks nice, but why would they leave the area of the old T3 to be hardstands? Couldn't they have fit another pier in there and have some gates? Whatever, as long as long as the T2/T3 alley is gone, I'm happy.

EDIT: I cannot format the picture properly, so here's the link...

http://filecache.drivetheweb.com/mr4...ior-future.jpg

johnso29 08-11-2010 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 854145)
There are a couple of issues with trip pickups and swaps. The system could be reprogrammed to allow swaps the morning prior or even real time. There would have to be some programming in place to insure someone did not WS a special airport they were not qualified into as the company would not have time to scheduled a check airman.
The real problem with this however is that it would be a severe degradation of trip quality for reserves. If you allowed line holders last minute swaps the reserves would always end up with total s--t! That is the main reason the system is what it is. It gives the reserves a chance at some decent trips. I don't plan on ever being on reserve again and a later swap window would be great for me but i think it would not be fair to reserve pilots.
On the subject of why there is a pickup limit for WS and not GS the answer is easy. There is no PU limit for GS because there is a huge economic penalty to the company to award a GS. The double pay is designed to force the company to man the airline correctly. If you allowed WS pickups with no limits then the company would have no incentive to man the airline correctly.
The company would also be able to furlough a bunch of pilots.
I once had a new hire SO complain how ALPA was screwing him but not letting him fly as much as he wanted and we should have no cap. I asked him how much he would make with no cap. He said he would fly 100 hours a month and it would be a 25 percent raise. I told him he was wrong. If the cap were dropped his pay rate would be zero because he would be on the street furloughed. I am still not sure he got it.

I really don't think they can get much worse. My 8:27 DTW-PHX 12 hour overnight PHX-DTW redeye back isn't exactly a prime trip. Or my DH DTW-FLL work FLL-LGA DH LGA-DTW doesn't have the lineholders drooling. Or maybe a lineholder will want to steal my DH DTW-SEA 11 hours rest SEA-DTW redeye back.

They ain't gettin much worse.

forgot to bid 08-11-2010 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 854145)
There are a couple of issues with trip pickups and swaps. The system could be reprogrammed to allow swaps the morning prior or even real time. There would have to be some programming in place to insure someone did not WS a special airport they were not qualified into as the company would not have time to scheduled a check airman.
The real problem with this however is that it would be a severe degradation of trip quality for reserves. If you allowed line holders last minute swaps the reserves would always end up with total s--t! That is the main reason the system is what it is. It gives the reserves a chance at some decent trips. I don't plan on ever being on reserve again and a later swap window would be great for me but i think it would not be fair to reserve pilots.
On the subject of why there is a pickup limit for WS and not GS the answer is easy. There is no PU limit for GS because there is a huge economic penalty to the company to award a GS. The double pay is designed to force the company to man the airline correctly. If you allowed WS pickups with no limits then the company would have no incentive to man the airline correctly.
The company would also be able to furlough a bunch of pilots.
I once had a new hire SO complain how ALPA was screwing him but not letting him fly as much as he wanted and we should have no cap. I asked him how much he would make with no cap. He said he would fly 100 hours a month and it would be a 25 percent raise. I told him he was wrong. If the cap were dropped his pay rate would be zero because he would be on the street furloughed. I am still not sure he got it.

I'm with Sailing. While I'd appreciate a more trasnparent and by the rules system for assigning trips, I'm not sure I want to throw the baby out with the bath water. It wouldn't be hard to squeeze out more "productivity" out of the group with a couple of work rule changes and we can stop talking about hiring for a few years.

I keep harping on it but just like that CAL thread was talking about when it came to scope, there are pilots out there that will flat out say "I can be bought." I hope at DAL they are very far and few between. But just like when you see new hires asking "how much above 70 hours can I expect to get on reserve, I need about 90 hours or more" well, if you could get 90 hours or more then you wouldn't be a new hire. Trust me, I need 90 hours too. Badly. Very badly. Everything from both cars (aging), roof and air conditoining systems went at once. 70 hours is below b/e. But I'd rather have a job.


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