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Old 09-08-2010 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Chente
Are you serious???? The "point" of long call is to have some sort of quality of life and not be on a 2 hour call out for the 18 days that you are on reserve for the month. If you don't like it you should request SC every day you're on call and bypass the contract so that us that actually care about QOL can sit long call. Seriously.

I think he was making the same point as you and you just took it wrong.

Here is the whole conversation...

Originally Posted by PilotFrog
Thanks for the quick reply, I am not a commuter, but damn getting nailed with a SC at 1930 for a 0530 would SUCK if I were one.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Agreed, and it is never worth getting caught gaming it by sitting LC at home unless you have flight that WILL get you to base no matter what time the call is.
Originally Posted by ronnie75
Not sure what "gaming it" means. What is the point of long call. Seriously.
Old 09-08-2010 | 11:37 AM
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DOT Proposes to Deny Application for Delta, Virgin Blue Alliance
By Steven Fromm - Sep 8, 2010 2:09 PM CT
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The U.S. Department of Transportation said it has proposed to deny an application for antitrust immunity made by Delta Air Lines Inc. and affiliates of the Virgin Blue Group with respect to joint services between the United States and Australia. The information was disclosed in an e-mailed statement.
Old 09-08-2010 | 11:48 AM
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Old 09-08-2010 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King
My guess is if the decision were up to our VP Cargo, we would get a bunch at that price. The other cost question is, how much will we have to spend to modify the cabin and cockpit to DL standards. The good news is that JAL almost always ordered the same options as NW up until they got MD-911s and 777s so they should have the same engines. Another thing to research is that some of the JAL 744s were "domestic." They had no winglets and about 500 seats for flying between Tokyo and Osaka. I got to deadhead on that cattle car a few times. Weird fact: IIRC the fuel penalty for a missing winglet on a 744 is ... zero.

Not quite Nosmo. Those models were actually 747-300's. They had the extended upper decks, three man crews and the big giveaway was no winglets. Those A/C replaced JALs 747-100SRs which were used for the domestic Japanese market.
Old 09-08-2010 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
DOT Proposes to Deny Application for Delta, Virgin Blue Alliance
By Steven Fromm - Sep 8, 2010 2:09 PM CT
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The U.S. Department of Transportation said it has proposed to deny an application for antitrust immunity made by Delta Air Lines Inc. and affiliates of the Virgin Blue Group with respect to joint services between the United States and Australia. The information was disclosed in an e-mailed statement.

I'm beginning to really hate the DOT
Old 09-08-2010 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by enuff
Not quite Nosmo. Those models were actually 747-300's. They had the extended upper decks, three man crews and the big giveaway was no winglets. Those A/C replaced JALs 747-100SRs which were used for the domestic Japanese market.
Look up 747-400D in Wikipedia.

The 747-400D (Domestic) is a high density seating model developed for short-haul domestic Japanese flights. The aircraft is capable of seating a maximum of 568 passengers in a 2-class configuration or 660 passengers in a single-class configuration. The -400D lacks the wing tip extensions and winglets included on other variants. The benefits of winglets would be minimal on short routes. The -400D may be converted to the long range version when needed. The 747-400D is also unusual in having more windows on both sides of the upper deck than the basic -400 series. This allows for additional seating all the way down the upper deck, where a galley is situated on most international models. The 747-400 Domestic first flew on March 18, 1991 and entered service with Japan Airlines on October 22, 1991.

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Old 09-08-2010 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
I'm beginning to really hate the DOT

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Beginning?

If you were a business owner, you would realize the sole purpose of the government (in regard to business) is to make everything you try to do more difficult...for this honor, they charge you taxes on everything.

In the government, "no" is a no risk answer.
Old 09-08-2010 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
DOT Proposes to Deny Application for Delta, Virgin Blue Alliance
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The U.S. Department of Transportation said it has proposed to deny an application for antitrust immunity made by Delta Air Lines Inc. and affiliates of the Virgin Blue Group with respect to joint services between the United States and Australia. The information was disclosed in an e-mailed statement.
They say yes to Lufthansa and Jet Blue, but no to this?
Old 09-08-2010 | 12:29 PM
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When I got hired, I asked an ATL chief pilot type if it was ok to commute from long call. His answer was "of course, that's what its there for." I then asked about that uncomfortable period in the later afternoon/early evening, where pretty much no commuter could make a 12 hour call out. His answer was that "scheduling knows about it, just explain that you've missed the last flight out, and if they give you any grief let us know."

The CVG cheif pilot office gave a different view in one of their "Pireps" articles recently about "reserve roullette."

Seems most commuters sit long call from home, and take their chances. After all, sitting long call from a hotel or crash pad kinda defeats the purpose of long call. (Although, if you live in base, particulary CVG, long call is like a day off...) Seems like its an issue that could use some clarification.
Old 09-08-2010 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Razorback flyer
When I got hired, I asked an ATL chief pilot type if it was ok to commute from long call. His answer was "of course, that's what its there for." I then asked about that uncomfortable period in the later afternoon/early evening, where pretty much no commuter could make a 12 hour call out. His answer was that "scheduling knows about it, just explain that you've missed the last flight out, and if they give you any grief let us know."

The CVG cheif pilot office gave a different view in one of their "Pireps" articles recently about "reserve roullette."

Seems most commuters sit long call from home, and take their chances. After all, sitting long call from a hotel or crash pad kinda defeats the purpose of long call. (Although, if you live in base, particulary CVG, long call is like a day off...) Seems like its an issue that could use some clarification.
While it may have applied to long call, I got the feeling they were talking about guys sitting short call at home knowing they couldn't make it. I think guys were doing this just betting they wouldn't get called. My experience thus far has been the schedulers are good at providing closer to 16 yours of notice. I recommend sitting long call at home. If you get in a tight situation be honest with the schedulers, they will work with you. I couldn't make a short call one day and the scheduler gave me two options...a later short call or a personal drop(cost about 4 hours of pay & coverage must be above min required). I thought it was very nice of them. The key if you get in a pickle is to BE HONEST! Lying will get you in bigger trouble then not being able to make it to work.
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