Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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You mean like what is happening to the junior pilots currently under the AE system?
I don't think that you can look at just the bidding system separately. There are other things in each of the contracts that allowed the system to work effectively and relatively efficiently. ALV for the entire fleet does not allow the company as much flexibility in creating schedules without as much dh penalty. The NWA system allowed for the monthly maxes to vary by base/category/seat. I really don't care which system we use (I actually prefer the monthly system however), but no matter what system we use, there is no reason that we shouldn't be allowed to have more visibility into what everyone else is bidding (the NWA system was great in that it allowed you to see exactly who was bidding what and where that seat was in there overall preferences).
I don't think that you can look at just the bidding system separately. There are other things in each of the contracts that allowed the system to work effectively and relatively efficiently. ALV for the entire fleet does not allow the company as much flexibility in creating schedules without as much dh penalty. The NWA system allowed for the monthly maxes to vary by base/category/seat. I really don't care which system we use (I actually prefer the monthly system however), but no matter what system we use, there is no reason that we shouldn't be allowed to have more visibility into what everyone else is bidding (the NWA system was great in that it allowed you to see exactly who was bidding what and where that seat was in there overall preferences).
I agree that the preferences we see now are too vague to derive a clear picture of who might be bidding a category, but it's a necessary evil because it protects what I consider to be private info. I don't wan't people to see how I bid. I only want the pilots to have access to it after the fact, to make sure noone was cheated. Beyond that, it's not of anyone else's business, how I bid, or what I want. I look at it as proprietary info: if I spend hours sweating my PBS bid, I own it. Same for the AE.
I do feel, however, that the comapny has too much freedom with the AE system, and that it needs to be more transparent. I don't like the fact they can choose to backfill or not backfill certain categories druing the award, or that they can selectively not enforce every displacement, or that they can withdraw bids. In my mind, they say what positions are up for bid, and the slots are filled automatically, each vacated position being available to a lower seniority bidder, etc. I was told your APA required backfilling of positions, and I think that's an improvement we should seek.
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30% was historical, but I believe the post-BK target is 15%. So 75% - 80% should actually be conservative for a bottom lineholder. The problem is that they're not running normal staffing until they know exactly what airplane goes where.
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From: No longer MEM or 9, but still a guy.
Anyone doing the ATL-MEM commute? How are the loads generally? Is FedEx a good backup, or more of a hassle than it's worth? Are jumpseats usually available?
How is the crashpad situation in MEM? Do you need a car? Are there cheap commuter hotels?
I'm coming from DTW so I'm not willing to go over $37/night for a commuter hotel
Thanks!
How is the crashpad situation in MEM? Do you need a car? Are there cheap commuter hotels?
I'm coming from DTW so I'm not willing to go over $37/night for a commuter hotel

Thanks!
Crashpad situation in MEM, very few choices, all of which I believe that you will need a car to use.
Commuter hotel situation is pretty pathetic. Most run $50.00 plus and very few in close to the airport are places that you would actually want to stay at.
Sorry not to have better news...
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Right now ATL-MEM has about 11 flights a day in a variety of sizes of aircraft. Loads are pretty high, but usually a few seats.
Crashpad situation in MEM, very few choices, all of which I believe that you will need a car to use.
Commuter hotel situation is pretty pathetic. Most run $50.00 plus and very few in close to the airport are places that you would actually want to stay at.
Sorry not to have better news...
Crashpad situation in MEM, very few choices, all of which I believe that you will need a car to use.
Commuter hotel situation is pretty pathetic. Most run $50.00 plus and very few in close to the airport are places that you would actually want to stay at.
Sorry not to have better news...
) FedEx would be nice to make just about everything commutable.
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Ok. That's goes along with what I learned initially But, since fNWA 757's did Europe and Asia flying, wouldn't you say that they were doing ER flying before the merger? Or, is there something else I'm missing? I'm just trying to get the whole argument that DTW and MSP 757 category's should have been put up for a complete rebid like SLC and CVG 767 category's.....
So, yes, NWA did "ER" flying, just not as much and not as concentrated in two groups of pilots. The funny part is that fNWA pilots look at "Narita" flying in much the same nostalgic way. When fDAL pilots show up in their flying club, we sometimes get dirty looks. At some point, it will all be accepted as the new norm, but pilots hate change, it takes a while.
Right now ATL-MEM has about 11 flights a day in a variety of sizes of aircraft. Loads are pretty high, but usually a few seats.
Crashpad situation in MEM, very few choices, all of which I believe that you will need a car to use.
Commuter hotel situation is pretty pathetic. Most run $50.00 plus and very few in close to the airport are places that you would actually want to stay at.
Sorry not to have better news...
Crashpad situation in MEM, very few choices, all of which I believe that you will need a car to use.
Commuter hotel situation is pretty pathetic. Most run $50.00 plus and very few in close to the airport are places that you would actually want to stay at.
Sorry not to have better news...

Thanks for the insiders view. Maybe I'll hang out in DTW a while longer. It's just tempting to go down to MEM after seeing the last flight home from DTW to ATL is at 7:30pm (Last MSP-ATL is even worse, 6:30 I believe - Yuck
) FedEx would be nice to make just about everything commutable.
) FedEx would be nice to make just about everything commutable.Its a great base though and i'd love to stay there but i'm sticking with the bid for QOL idea. fwiw
Who do we have to replace him?
IMHO I'm sure he'll do great at ALPA national. Probably just needs to walk through the door and he'd already do more than Prater, but frankly, all I care about is DALPA.
To me national is kind of like having your local specialized whatever union representing both the unionized members and the non-unionized members and the illegals hired to do the same job. Until it has a sole purpose of safety of all airlines and the other interests of the mainline and regional pilots is split then I don't think either is getting what they deserve.
I nominate, Carl and Slow for DALPA.
IMHO I'm sure he'll do great at ALPA national. Probably just needs to walk through the door and he'd already do more than Prater, but frankly, all I care about is DALPA.
To me national is kind of like having your local specialized whatever union representing both the unionized members and the non-unionized members and the illegals hired to do the same job. Until it has a sole purpose of safety of all airlines and the other interests of the mainline and regional pilots is split then I don't think either is getting what they deserve.
I nominate, Carl and Slow for DALPA.

ALPA, IFALPA and an association of MEC's is very important. Look at what RJET is trying to do with the Star Alliance. You will never see another ALPA group welcome that. Getting rid of National will be like opening up Pandora's Box.
Global Market places needs a global association, and ALPA and IFALPA are it. We just need to fix its issues. Starting over will result in to many opportunities to take pot shots at this profession.
Gaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... just forget it.
So if you were a junior block holder you would rather fall back to reserve than have the option of exercising an MD and moving to another category in which you could hold a line. Seriously, think back to when you had no seniority to even be senior on something. Again, I gave a clear examples of why I think this AE system is dated.
The reference was to Delta's 80 year history, we might as well start from scratch and come up with something that's modern and efficient in lieu of something you would expect back in the 70's (40 years later) when everything was done by hand. This AE system is a "one of a kind." I would be very interested to see the demographics of the guys that created and molded this system into a contract
The reference was to Delta's 80 year history, we might as well start from scratch and come up with something that's modern and efficient in lieu of something you would expect back in the 70's (40 years later) when everything was done by hand. This AE system is a "one of a kind." I would be very interested to see the demographics of the guys that created and molded this system into a contract
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