OK.. maybe I am a little over sensitive right now about this, but I'll take that as a barb thrown squarely at me. I will remind all of you that are throwing said barbs that all I said from the beginning of this rhubarb is that I thought FrogPilot had a good point.. and I offered an explanation as to why. I also said, that basically it is what it is.. but nonetheless he had a valid point. I even further said that I was willing to let this go, yet you guys keep dragging me back into this argument. It is my opinion.. and like you, I am entitled to it. And contrary to popular belief, my opinion can be changed, just not in this case. Witness my recent civil relationship with Carl.

Done

 

[quote=Superpilot92;871428]so much for giving up the forum huh?



I did good for awhile...

 

[quote=Mem9guy;871461]I have said the same thing probably a hundred times. This place is like crack cocaine... unfortunately

 

lol

 

As a north guy, I just have to add that I agree with the points being made here. There should have been a way to side letter some type of agreement to allow the converting of 767 to 7ER without opening it up to bidding as a "new" category. Especially in a case like SLC when it is just the same number of positions being closed and opened. I think what happened with the 757 categories in DTW and MSP was enough of a precedent set to justify and agreement that would have been less disruptive to the pilots involved than a total rebid.

Like I like to tell my kids sometimes "fair and equal are not the same thing"

 

[QUOTE=tsquare;871463]Geeze T we agree again. Ok that's it, I'm but'en beers... Don't try and stop me

 

+1. What I think too.

Ferd

 

Newk would punch her back. And then she'd fall in love with him, because you know what we non girl punching guys noticed in life: "punch a girl in the face and she'll love you forever." WHY IS THAT?!!?

Hmmm. I've done that before, write out a long response. But then I post it, then change my mind, edit it, edit it again, again and again. Each time noting that nobody has commented. Then I click out of the thread to the Major section to see what else is going on and notice somebody has commented, evidently, a lot of people have commented on my pre-edited writing. I hate that glitch.

If this is a synposis of the 1000 word essay, I'll take it, but I still say more ACL is always a good thing.

But let me just say it this way because I don't disagree with what you wrote here in the importance of National and I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water. I think National is extremely important and invaluable, I just don't care about this ALPA National at this time and do not see a reason to. Call it an enthusiasm gap not to unlike what Republicans had in 2006 and 2008 and Democrats (thus far in polls) have in 2010. However, DALPA, now thats relevant to me and my career and thus my career, just like Sink said.

If Moak goes to National hopefully he can get the enthusiasm gap up by just doing something foreign, like leading and pointing in a direction and not writing us letters that don't really say anything pertinent or important. When I read Praters letters I just get that feeling that ALPA National is not to unlike a dead fish handshake, there ain't nothing there but a luke warm body. I read once where he was talking to Obama about the dangers of international alliances and outsourcing highly sought after jobs to international carriers, and rightfully so mind you, but I sit there and ask, what about the regionals?

Why are we fighting for their "pilot groups" in such a way as to allow outsourcing that cuts out mainline jobs and then therein forces their individual pilots, the ones we should care about, into prolonged careers with low QOL and pay?

Again, I don't disagree ACL, I just have an enthusiasm gap for this National, but not DALPA. I liked DALPA when I first walked in, I was nervous as time went on in the midst of the 2008 crash, over time I've grown to like what I see. Thats just me.

[quote=tsquare;871463]Sometimes you can set the threads up in a line and hit them one by one real fast. Maximum impact. Just sit back then and enjoy what you just posted. Yeah, its addictive. Its even more addictive to put this picture up when someone says something that pokes an arrogant poster in the eye:



I love that cat, it might be the only one I've ever loved.

 

This was not aimed at you, I kind of came in on the middle of this, just answering Newk's questions. I don't know what you said about this situation, but I find it ironic that the ATL and NYC guys are complaining more about changes to their positions than the CVG guys did about their jobs being eliminated.

 

FtB;
I ask one question.

Have a regional carrier's bargaining agent (within ALPA) ever won a seat or aircraft size scope concession from their negotiations? I am not talking about Ford-Cookey and RJDC, that was a settlement outside of Section six and ALPA's bargaining agents and EV and OH. It also was not a seat win, but a seat at the table to be privy to mainline scope negotiations.

What I am is asking as a regional carrier ever been able to gain flying by their section six negotiations alone?

Do you think that having these regional carriers under ALPA where we could decided not to sign a CBA that did just that yield some sort of power? I do.
What RJET is trying to do with the Star Alliance is a bad deal. I suspect they will not win, because of all of the carriers within Star that are part of ALPA or IFALPA and the consequences of such an action to the member carriers of Star.

On the issue of Pratter I agree 100%. I read his campaign letter and looked back on his decisions and words over the last few years. IMHO he is probably not the pilot that needs to be at the controls going forward.

I want someone that gets unity, understands world economics and the absolute need of ALPA and IFALPA being part of the process. Not just for a feel good position, but a position that allows us to be part of the process and decision. We all want our careers back, but on one level the airlines must be profitable and on the other level we need to keep everyone honest. We cannot do that if we are fighting each other as smaller independent pilot associations for a common position.

So I say, fix ALPA from within because the results will be more along the lines of what many pilots deem as their expectations.