Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-09-2010 | 02:47 PM
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Mainly because the "AE can't cause an MD" rule doesn't apply and neither do freezes. SLC7ER is a new category.
Its in the west. Its "widebody". Its Boeing. Its gonna have some international.
Senior Northwest guys will be coming in plus a few DAL.
Open question is - how many?
My wild guess - 25 Captains + 30 FOs will be displaced.
Its in the west. Its "widebody". Its Boeing. Its gonna have some international.
Senior Northwest guys will be coming in plus a few DAL.
Open question is - how many?
My wild guess - 25 Captains + 30 FOs will be displaced.
It affects more towards the junior half of the seniority list. We still have a few SLC locals (CA and FO) that are stuck in MSP sitting reserve because when they closed up SLCM88, and now with this 767 to 7ER bid, it's gonna create more or less of the same effect just like last time. The whale openings sure look sweet, but if you ask most SLC locals, they'd be happy driving to work, fly their narrow 757/767 till they retire.
What Check Essential said. I think the ONLY categories you will see displacements in will be in SLC. The displacements will trickle down through the 800 and 320 because of the locals who will fly anything to not commute. Most of the guys that will get booted out of base will go to MSP since SEA and LAX are also getting more senior. The 320 category in MSP has enough room to soak up the displacements that will come in, so I think everyone else will see upward movement. It's good overall, just stinks to have almost your entire base open to bid by everyone within a year. Kinda feels like a bump and flush if you know what I mean.
1)I'm fairly junior and I got into SLC on the last AE.
2)DALS pilots tend to over value DALS products and bases compared to how DALN pilots actually feel. That being said, your perception that its going to create a North wave is a little off. Yall said that about ATL and that never materialized, more the opposite.
3)Senior North pilots can already hold the ER or better(330/744) in SEA/MSP/DTW. Basically they would have to bid down to go to SLC. I really don't see it, especially with all the openings.
I may be way off base but we will see in a few weeks.
09-09-2010 | 03:24 PM
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I hear you guys but I'm willing to bet it turns out differently. You've seen many more AEs than me so I may be naive but here is why I disagree:
1)I'm fairly junior and I got into SLC on the last AE.
2)DALS pilots tend to over value DALS products and bases compared to how DALN pilots actually feel. That being said, your perception that its going to create a North wave is a little off. Yall said that about ATL and that never materialized, more the opposite.
3)Senior North pilots can already hold the ER or better(330/744) in SEA/MSP/DTW. Basically they would have to bid down to go to SLC. I really don't see it, especially with all the openings.
I may be way off base but we will see in a few weeks.
1)I'm fairly junior and I got into SLC on the last AE.
2)DALS pilots tend to over value DALS products and bases compared to how DALN pilots actually feel. That being said, your perception that its going to create a North wave is a little off. Yall said that about ATL and that never materialized, more the opposite.
3)Senior North pilots can already hold the ER or better(330/744) in SEA/MSP/DTW. Basically they would have to bid down to go to SLC. I really don't see it, especially with all the openings.
I may be way off base but we will see in a few weeks.
Atlanta has seen a large reduction in pilots since the merger. There have been on vacancies for former NW pilots to bid on. It appears to be very clear that when everything shakes out the junior bases are going to be MSP and DTW. I thought NYC would be a bottom feeder also but its going much more senior since the merger.
09-09-2010 | 03:25 PM
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09-09-2010 | 03:25 PM
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Cap'n,
I tend to agree with you about SLC. SLC 7er is a new category so anyone wanting in will have to bid it as an AE. So any current SLC 767 who gets it will get it as an AE and not a displacement. This will cut down on the displacement bids. I can see a few guys not realizing they need to bid it as an AE and not as a MD and as a result they will be displaced. There are going to be some but you just never know how or why guys bid what they bid. It's all a crapshoot any way. I understand the angst and certainly hope I'm/we are correct!
Denny
I tend to agree with you about SLC. SLC 7er is a new category so anyone wanting in will have to bid it as an AE. So any current SLC 767 who gets it will get it as an AE and not a displacement. This will cut down on the displacement bids. I can see a few guys not realizing they need to bid it as an AE and not as a MD and as a result they will be displaced. There are going to be some but you just never know how or why guys bid what they bid. It's all a crapshoot any way. I understand the angst and certainly hope I'm/we are correct!
Denny
09-09-2010 | 03:26 PM
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09-09-2010 | 03:28 PM
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09-09-2010 | 03:47 PM
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SLC 7er is a new category so anyone wanting in will have to bid it as an AE. So any current SLC 767 who gets it will get it as an AE and not a displacement. I can see a few guys not realizing they need to bid it as an AE and not as a MD and as a result they will be displaced.
Whoa. Be careful. I'm pretty sure that's incorrect.
New categories are filled in seniority order whether its an AE, VD or MD.
Any of those will work.
The SLC767 guys definitely want to use the MD. To avoid an AE freeze.
09-09-2010 | 03:55 PM
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AE's are awarded first, then VD's then MD's. If they don't AE they may not get it. Trying to MD just to avoid a freeze is a gamble IMO. Plus, I believe it would only be a 9 month freeze since they are already 757/767 qualified.
09-09-2010 | 04:00 PM
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This sounds "fishy" to me. The current SLC 767 pilots are getting MD'd. The company runs the AE and all slots are filled. Now if the SLC pilot that gets MD has the seniority to knock someone out of category he is in. If he does not have seniority to knock anyone out, he never would have been awarded it via the AE
09-09-2010 | 04:06 PM
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This sounds "fishy" to me. The current SLC 767 pilots are getting MD'd. The company runs the AE and all slots are filled. Now if the SLC pilot that gets MD has the seniority to knock someone out of category he is in. If he does not have seniority to knock anyone out, he never would have been awarded it via the AE
I thought the company did AE's and VD's first to AVOID as many MD's as possible. That's the way I understand it.
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