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#4781
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[quote=DeadHead;559134]Not being an expert in these matters, what exactly does "Limited Furlough Protection" mean. I'm guessing that agreement comes with the old "Force Majeure"caveat, in which cases the whole agreement is meaningless.
The furlough protection is economic. If the company furloughs any of the pilots not covered under the old clause (Around 400) then they have to remove the 6 extra seats within 90 days on the airframes that were in dispute. There is no Force Majeure on this clause. As I said its limited.
Secondly, why would they renegotiate another Furlough Protection Clause when they already have a Furlough Protection Clause in the LOA 19 agreement prior to merger.
The furlough clause was not actually from LOA 19. It was from the Bankruptcy contract. It required the company to remove 6 seats from all the RJ's if they furloughed a pilot hired prior to the contract signing. In LOA 19 the clause was amended to incorporate the NWA pilots depending on hire dates. This still left 400 pilots without any protection.
Not trying to sound negative, but why is ALPA continuously negotiating for repeated Furlough Protection, when in my opinion, the clause/guarantee is meaningless since the economy being on it's back will almost definitely allow the "Force Majeure" stipulation to be played out by management?
These protections are not subject to Force Majeure.
The furlough protection is economic. If the company furloughs any of the pilots not covered under the old clause (Around 400) then they have to remove the 6 extra seats within 90 days on the airframes that were in dispute. There is no Force Majeure on this clause. As I said its limited.
Secondly, why would they renegotiate another Furlough Protection Clause when they already have a Furlough Protection Clause in the LOA 19 agreement prior to merger.
The furlough clause was not actually from LOA 19. It was from the Bankruptcy contract. It required the company to remove 6 seats from all the RJ's if they furloughed a pilot hired prior to the contract signing. In LOA 19 the clause was amended to incorporate the NWA pilots depending on hire dates. This still left 400 pilots without any protection.
Not trying to sound negative, but why is ALPA continuously negotiating for repeated Furlough Protection, when in my opinion, the clause/guarantee is meaningless since the economy being on it's back will almost definitely allow the "Force Majeure" stipulation to be played out by management?
These protections are not subject to Force Majeure.
#4782
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Thanks Sailing,
That's a little clearer now, but removing 6 seats out of those aircraft just seems like a shady way of side-stepping contractual obligations.
I would have thought ALPA would have placed certain mechanisms in place to prevent this from happening.
Still learning about all this stuff, this site helps clarify alot of confusion. Thanks
That's a little clearer now, but removing 6 seats out of those aircraft just seems like a shady way of side-stepping contractual obligations.
I would have thought ALPA would have placed certain mechanisms in place to prevent this from happening.
Still learning about all this stuff, this site helps clarify alot of confusion. Thanks
#4783
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The best no furlough protection would be an expensive one. How about every DAL pilot furloughed will keep his/her medical paid by the company, and his/her retirement contribution while on mandatory furlough. What an idea!!, force management to think whether it's worth to furlough or not?
#4784
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You can get your 2008 expense report from flightline.com. You can also get your logbook numbers for the entire year. I think as a DAL pilot, the cost is $50, but they give you a $50 coupon so you pay nothing. That was how it worked last year anyway. Haven't gotten it for this year.
#4785
The best no furlough protection would be an expensive one. How about every DAL pilot furloughed will keep his/her medical paid by the company, and his/her retirement contribution while on mandatory furlough. What an idea!!, force management to think whether it's worth to furlough or not?
I wonder how many of our yet to be hired brothers would like to see what you propose. It might well be true that they would prefer to have their hiring delayed in order to have paid medical and retirement once they are hired. Interesting thought.
Carl
#4786
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The best no furlough protection would be an expensive one. How about every DAL pilot furloughed will keep his/her medical paid by the company, and his/her retirement contribution while on mandatory furlough. What an idea!!, force management to think whether it's worth to furlough or not?
In the case of these extra RJs, Moak should have said you can have them, but Delta pilots have flow down rights to those jets in the event of a furlough. That should have been the deal with all the 76 seat RJs.
#4787
They do! just look at nwa loa 2006-10. It stipulates flow down rights to any of the jets Delta owns, if its not a wholly owned they only get a portion -I think 50% of new positions but flow down rights none the less.
#4788
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Didn't know that. But, wholly owned or not, if Delta owns the airplane, the Delta pilots should have flow down rights....to 100% of the seats. If the carrier who gets the flying doesn't like it, then you don't get the flying.
#4789
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Telegram ??............... I'm guessing it was the draw down of WWII, flooding the market with pilots, that may have delayed your hiring. Sorry Carl, just couldn't resist.
#4790
Man it sucks getting old.
Carl
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