This seems to ALMOST be a "which came first, the chicken or the egg argument." EXCEPT, in this case, there would be no egg (regional jobs) if we (major airline pilots) hadn't been so chicken and laid (voted for) these crappy eggs for the regional pilots to fly.

Assignment of blame to the mainline airline pilot is way more than 50%.

Thats not how it works all the time. During the peak of hiring, regionals hire pilots with very little time..same thing happened even with the majors before the age of regionals. (The new 1500 hr rule will hopefully change this shortly).

When I joined my regional airline (XJT) in 2004, I was one of the lowest time guys with 3000 hrs. That was the norm during those days. My prior 6 years in the industry flight instructing and flying night cargo meant nothing to the majors. Piston time could not even win an interview with any major airline. Trust me, I applied....I applied to 95 airliners/freight outfits around the globe. You really think I was going to turn my 121 job (which was the stepping stone to NWA/DAL) to avoid hurting your feelings? You got to be kidding yourself!

Stop harping at the regional guys about taking your job. You old folks have a lot of experience in the industry....but you guys aint saints. You guys single handedly signed scope away and took a 40% paycut. You guys created the enormous regional industry in this country. Had you guys not screwed up by signing scope away, I would have been a ten year DAL/NWA/CAL/UAL/LCC pilot by now. Don't blame me who flew at the regional level. I had to do that to make it to the majors. I was too old to do the military route and I did not have a rich mom/dad who was a Pan Am captain.

Now let the young blood (ex-regional pilots) help you/me fix what you guys screwed up. :mad:

Thank you.

You really should learn reading comprehension...instead of just reading. To respond the way you did can only mean that you don't comprehend.

Carl

My response is to your last 10 pages worth of stuff on regional pilots. I comprehend very well where you stand on the issue. Assigning blame to everybody but yourself.

You should probably take a moment and listen to others once in a while. But you can't hear over yourself.

Exactly, newK.

I'll certainly accept some of the blame for helping to support the "you've got to pay your dues" game of roullete that making your way up in the civilian world is. It is self-perpetuating as long as the flying is continued to be allowed to be outsourced by the mainline groups, though.

I've said it for a long time that the wages will never come back unless we first reel in scope at mainline, and I will continue to stand by that.

I have to say, it is one of the most important initiatives that ALPA is undertaking now.

ACL,

That's quite a statement/prediction. Care to elaborate?

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That's the Maddog Messenger newsletters behind me, thats how I paper my man cave... also known as the guest bathroom.

Again, you clearly don't listen. Go back over my recent posts and you will see that I frequently accept blame for what we major pilots did. We sold scope for certain reasons...all of them inexcusable. I believe we share half the blame.

The fact that you don't recall these statements from any of my posts means that you read far too carelessly.

Carl

Well put. I don't see the point in deflecting responsibility for the problem. In fact, it would be 100% mainline if not for the fact that some of the RJ guys are getting greedy, and would like to help lower scope barriers. Still, there isn't an RJ flying pax for a major today that was "taken" by the RJ crowd. Some were coughed up, some were naively given, and some pried from us in BK, but all of them by management and none by regional pilots.

Yet.