i dont care what size aircraft it is, if Delta wants to add more planes with Delta paint jobs then they need to have Delta Pilots at the controls from this point on. I agree that it will be nearly impossible to recapture the flying thats already outsourced but we can ensure anything else is ours.

Once the planes and jobs are outsourced they're pretty much gone which is why we cant let anymore flying go.

Carl,

I guess if I follow your logic in your arguments yesterday, it is our fault that the company got what they did out of us in bankruptcy. We should have all just quit and refused to work for the new wages...

Any Bets....
 

that the DOT will not give them to us?


Delta presents case for London slots to Boston, Miami
October 14, 2010



Delta presented its business case to the U.S. Department of Transportation Thursday that it should be awarded takeoff and landing slots to operate service between London-Heathrow and Boston and Miami.
In a government filing, Delta said it would mount the strongest competitive challenge to American Airlines and British Airways, which are required to divest some Heathrow slots under a joint venture agreement approved earlier this year. Delta would provide a flexible alternative to the American/British Airways alliance for customers in Boston and Miami.
The filing included 93 letters of support, which included endorsements from elected and community officials in Massachusetts and Florida, including the governors of both states, members Congress and the mayors of Boston and Miami, Massport, the Miami-Dade Aviation Department and customers including Fidelity Investments, Travelers Insurance and General Motors.
If approved, Delta will begin the flights in March 2011, and operate twice-daily service between Boston and Heathrow, and daily service between Miami and Heathrow.

What other airlines applied for these routes?

It shouldn't be about seat size scope, it should be about airframe scope. The E-175 and CRJ-900 are flying around with 76 seats in them because that is the scope limit. Both can fly with more seats in them. I've heard the optimal revenue seat arrangement for the CRJ-900 is 82 seats. I'm not sure what the E-175 is, but I'd bet it is more than 76 seats.

Both of those airframes should be at Delta because they will be around for a long time. the cost to regain the E-175's and CRJ-900's would be well worth it IMO. I'll agree with you on the 50-seaters and CRJ-700's, not worth the cost to recapture that flying at this point.

I would say the majors should carry about 75% of the blame because you had to know the regionals would fly them at lower rates because part of the savings is coming from those low wages. The wages for the props should have been an indication of where the wages for 50 seat jets would be.

Now the problem is how do you stop the whipsawing because once any regional starts to get a leg up it gets kicked out by someone else and it's not always the other regionals that are doing the kicking. This isn't just a regional problem but an industry one.

I'm sure the fNWA guys remember that the Avros that Mesaba had were grandfathered by tail number. Anything happened to one of them there was no replacement.

Why can't we start to work in a defined number, each a specific ship? As those planes get older they will be replaced, maybe a long way down the road, but they will be. Get it back to any replacement aircraft will not be capable of carrying more than 50 pax.

oh be still my beating heart...
 

'Top Gun 2' Being Discussed, Report Says

Published October 15, 2010

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Nearly 25 years after Tom Cruise played iconic hero "Maverick" in the action film "Top Gun," Paramount Pictures is in discussions to revive the 80's cult classic, New York Magazine reported Thursday.

Viacom's Paramount Pictures is negotiating with the film's original producer Jerry Bruckheimer and director Tony Scott to work on "Top Gun 2" and members of the original cast will reportedly take part in the project.

Cruise's starring role in the original movie as Pete "Maverick" Mitchell will be much smaller in the sequel -- perhaps as a flight instructor, a source said.

The 27-year-old son of Oracle founder Larry Ellison, avid aviator David Ellison, is thought to be key in securing financing for the film. He has been influential in co-financing many of Paramount’s films -- including "Mission: Impossible 4," which will also star the 48-year-old Cruise.

At the July 22 London premiere of his summer action flick, "Knight & Day," Cruise denied he was involved in "Top Gun 2."

When asked if there was any truth to the rumors that a "Top Gun" sequel was on its way, Cruise immediately dismissed the speculation.

"No," Cruise laughed, without hesitation. "Sorry man."

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Okay, I'm going to put this idea of Top Gun 2 up there with seeing Faith Hill on Sunday night football intros and just say "no mas, no mas, NO MAS!" You two were both good years ago, we've moved on, don't ruin what was.

And why????????

Iceman better hit the gym if he is going to fit into that fighter. Due to the age of the cast and the risk of broken hips, there will be no volleyball scene either.

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Looks like he already started trying to slim down by having a light beer.