We should have voted the BK contract down and called everyone's bluff. That's how I voted. I called management's bluff and the BK judge's bluff and wanted to see the judge try to force us to work without a contract, while we went through the RLA to eventually strike. The contract asked for too much in my opinion.

Carl

Sure the DOT will give them to us...right after we divest some gates and slots to Southwest Airlines.

Carl

Two ways to do this Top Gun 2 thing. Since is Friday night movie night.

First, Star Wars like. Remember how excited everyone was to see the new Star Wars movies but instead of Millennium Falcons you got a U.N. meeting?

Well, set it in 2005, big opening sequence the same as the first where you meet Goose's ****ed off boys who are now some of the last of the F-14 pilots. They go to Fallon now to find the man who killed their dad and prove to him he sucks, but instead, they run into him at a bar. He actually left the Navy in 1996 and they spend the rest of the movie talking about life in the airlines, scope, pbs, unions, RJ's, pensions, furloughs, crabby Captains, weird FO's, old FA's, who's really to blame and some bad overnight hotels... and bed bugs and crabs. The end.

Well except Meg Ryan makes a cameo. All of it was cheap. And btw, if there is a Mig scene, instead of hiring one from Russia they just get a... C-182 to play the part, all in black.

Or you go the Mission Impossible / Matrix route. Gooses kid is an E-2 pilot, plane runs into trouble and crashes in the middle of the Pacific but instead of dying they some how all wash up on shore of some deserted island. There is 5 people, 2 hot in-shape girls, 3 dudes one who is serious, one who is long haired and not so serious and one you know will die right away, say in the prop or by the smoke monster. Anyways, they're there for a while, things get goofy, they meet strange "others" that live there, time travel occurs, lottery numbers show up, flashbacks galore, they have a chance to get off the island but instead they end up time traveling to 1986 where Goose's kid meets his dad who is still alive and has a chance to tell him to not spin out to sea and it all builds to a huge climax that the writers can't handle and it fizzles out.

The best part, all the CGI necessary to recreate the F-14 which allowed for lots of hookie slow motion scenes.

Either way, it sucks.

Doubt it. While my expectations for LM are indeed low (based on track record)... I don't take my eyes off the ball. What I expect out of my union has not changed. If he solves the conflict of interest at National, and creates a real focus on restoring this profession, I'll eat my hat. (Well maybe not, because then I wouldn't have a hat and would be in violation of the FOM.:D) But if he does that, it will be 180 degrees out of phase with everything he did as our MEC Chairman and all the groundwork he laid to get himself elected. I'm not holding my breath (or my DPA card).

I know that 88. Even if one is wildly successful that is a monumental task in one term. Progress should be measured in increments. I look for progress.

Guys go to the C44 website and read their weekly update. I think many will be impressed with what Resolutions they (The MEC Council) approved at the meeting preceding the BOD meeting.

Great work guys!

Yes, but the SIZE of the increments is going to be extremely important. If those increments are similar to what we saw with LM as our MEC Chairman, then we will not achieve restoration in my lifetime and probably not in yours. I hope you don't just look for progress of any amount. It's important to set your objective and measure your progress against that. Just saying you will "look for progress" isn't enough when you are digging out of a 50% hole. You must define your objective first. And if your objective is restoration, that "progress" is going to have to come in very large increments. There is no way around the math.

No it's not. It's very simple:

You state the new policy of ALPA is to truly represent all pilot groups. In the course of that representation, ALPA will never allow one group to gain another's flying. If that is attempted by management in any direction, the full resources of ALPA and the MCF will be brought to bear up to and including a strike.

You simply have to state it...then do it. Here's the problem, LM doesn't believe in this. He believes it's just business when one union's flying goes to another unionized group. That's against all that trade unionism has ever been about. Problem is, LM disagrees.

Carl

As I tirelessly am looking for said update....nowhere to be found....I get an email with said info!
So if you can't find it on the C44 site check your email folks,

Since I'm in to writing fiction tonight, it just would've been nice to see this:


ATLANTA GA, Aug 28 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following is a statement by Captain ### ### Delta Master Executive Council, Air Line Pilots Association, International:

"Today, we stand with the pilots of United Airlines and Continental Airlines announcement that they intend to end outsourcing of their flying to regional partners following their planned merger.

We believe, as do the pilots of United and Continental, that the time is right to correct the wrongs of the past when it comes to outsourcing. We agree that because of our responsibility to our passengers and our company that we must remind management and our investors and creditors that the business of an airline is to fly – not to outsource flying to the lowest bidder or to merely act as a ticket agent.

We believe that all outsourced flying should end for the safety of our passengers and the financial health of our companies. As the pilots of Continental and United Airlines have stated, no issue carries more weight than scope and the cessation of outsourcing.

Thank you."

And...

DETROIT MI and COLLEGE PARK GA, Aug 28 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following iz uh statement by Captain ### ### Delta Master Executive Council, Air Line Pilots and Par Time Pimps Association, International:

"Today, we's stand wiff da pilots an hoes o' United Airlines an' Continental Airlines announcement dat dey intend ta end outsourcing o' they flying ta regional partners following they planned merger.

We believe, as do da pilots an hoes o' United an' Continental, dat da tyme iz right ta correct da wrongs o' da past when it comes ta outsourcing. We agree dat cuz o' our responsibility ta our passengers an' our company dat we's mus' remind management an' our investors an' creditors dat da bidness o' an airline iz ta fly – not ta outsource flying ta da lowest ****es or ta merely act as uh ******** ticket agent.

We believe dat all outsourced flying should end fo' da safety o' our passengers an' da financial health o' our companies. As da pilots o' Continental an' United Airlines gots stated, nahh issue carries mo' weight than scope an' da cessation o' outsourcing.

what 'chew thinking man?"