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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 891843)
One leading candidate for MEC Chairman told me, and I quote, "Scope does not matter." His opinion is based, like yours, on the fact that economic trends are resulting in management pulling down RJ flying. Therefore we do not need to "invest" in job protection provisions which are not needed.
What scares me is that many completely fail to grasp what this is about. It is about UNITY. It is about a union powerful enough to come to the table and say "we represent pilot labor. You can not operate your airline without us." Every job outsourced makes this statement less and less true. If scope has no value, then that should cut either way. If it does not matter, the management should not care if we close the loopholes in our contracts as the contracts they permit expire. Of course it does matter. By minimizing scope's importance it prepares expectations for the next big scope sale. Richard Anderson now publicly draws the line at 100 seats and is talking more about the C Series engine being a games changing tech. Our Company publishes a 100 seat line with no rebuttal from ALPA. We've already outsourced a 122 seat platform that is restricted to an arbitrary seat limit which could easily vanish under economic stress. The C Series waits with no firm orders (except at "regional" airlines) as everyone waits to see who's going to operate the thing. I sit here with a Delta seniority number wondering too. Of course the biggest storm cloud on the horizon is economic. Can we afford to replace our MD88 and 757 fleet? The 88's life could be extended, but the 757's structural limits are more finite. Further, if "scope does not matter" then by extrapolation neither do our pilots' jobs. That is a terrible political position. We need to renounce our support for outsourcing in unequivocal terms. Sorry if that ties your hands, but unity is job one in a union. Carl |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 891868)
I understand what he is trying to say here.. and maybe it is a lowered expectation... but i don't want a number that the company will be looking to take away once there is a blip in the economy... that being said, i don't believe that dalpa truly knows what that number is.
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 891868)
.. so we should shoot for the moon.... how's that for a wishy washy post :p
Carl |
Originally Posted by Maddog Waddle
(Post 891963)
Just a friendly reminder to everyone:
IF DALPA GIVES DELTA MANAGEMENT THE 100 SEATER AT THE REGIONAL LEVEL, GENERALLY EVERYONE POSTING ON THIS BOARD WILL BE WITH OUT A JOB FOR MANY YEARS. YOU WILL BE FURLOUGHED IF YOU WERE HIRED AFTER 2000! MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS IS A REAL POSSIBILITY, I IMPLORE EACH OF YOU TO PLEASE CONTINUE TO MAKE THIS KNOWN TO YOUR REPS!!! YOUR JOB FAMILY AND CAREER DEPEND ON IT!!! Carl |
Hey ACL, check your PMs.
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I say that because the 100 seater scope concession for 40% pay is a joke. It's almost logical enough to pass muster but we're just being convinced to pay for something we already own.
To think we'd have to trade pay for scope to remain where it was makes no sense given:
But you may be willing to give up money if you think scope is in jeopardy and we haven't had to move on those 717s and so far as you're concerned they'll never happen. Its worth a shot to try to make 40% expecations 15%, right? Trick is "we've" got to do this asap because we may need to get those 717s asap. Negotiating on emotion. I used to work for a car salesman and they did something called feeding the lot where they dropped shinny pennies on the ground. People would find a penny and think "this is my lucky day" and buy. I kid you not but people do things on emotion sometimes and not by logic. I want a new car, can you make it happen? |
Buzz, PM answered.
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While not applicable to the L&G thread, I just wanted to share this slam delivered by a wordsmith over at Pprune. " So, now we have a post that will attract umpteen other ignorantii to add their myopic and pathetically uneducated understanding of the differences between what the media report and what really happens in the real world. Can we not have these posters Lobotomised or something similar so as to prevent their cancerous and spittle covered distractions ruining what could become an interesting thread?"
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
(Post 892124)
They'll be fenced unless the company buys them specifically to replace fenced north-side jets. Either way, someone will file a law-suit over it, of course.:cool:
Chuck |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 892159)
Yes it is. It happened before our merger, so I wasn't a Delta pilot then. Others have posted the quote. Many others were there and witnessed the quote being spoken. LM then followed it up with his explanation of why RJ's are good for Delta Air Lines. I don't remember what others' said that explanation was.
Carl |
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