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Old 10-26-2010 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
That's true. I just don't want anyone to forget where the money is coming from for the next 9 quarters and beyond...the pilots' extreme sacrifices. Don't forget...don't forget!



Not if you don't fight for it! And certainly not if you do management's job for them by trying to lower your fellow pilots' expectations before Section 6 even begins! I'll tell you man, you wouldn't even be enjoying the low pay we're getting now if all of us old farts had your attitude years ago. Grow a freakin spine!

Carl
Carl, Carl, Carl. Spine is there, the difference is it is attached to patience.

I am all for going for the exact contractual value at the table in which will be just below the number the company decides is not enough to go after in the next down turn/crisis. Do not mistake this for no spine.
Old 10-26-2010 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
No it doesn't. It just means they wouldn't have been able to pay down quite as much debt. Get your facts straight. Then stop doing management's job for them.



No, the bankrupcy judge agreed we were a variable cost.



I don't think you mean that at all. I think you're all about lowering the expectations of your fellow pilots so that you get noticed by management some day. Your "work" here is plainly obvious.

Carl
No Carl we did by voting yes to our respective 1113C contracts.

Carl, save the expectation drivel. How about you volunteer for ALPA again, quit dividing the group with DPA and get our pilots unified.

Some would accuse you of doing management's work by dividing the group as well.

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Old 10-26-2010 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
747-8
777-300
747-400

Did I win?
If you're right, then we all win.
Old 10-26-2010 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Carl, save the expectation drivel. How about you volunteer for ALPA again, quit dividing the group with DPA and get our pilots unified.

Some would accuse you of doing management's work by dividing the group as well.
You solved the mystery! Carl is a management plant! He's only here to divide the pilot group, and secure his bonus.

That explains a lot...
Old 10-26-2010 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
It's already been flying in France.







April Fools.... I HOPE
That's just gross.. ewwwwwww
Old 10-26-2010 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
And if you would lower your neurosis long enough to think, you would realize that the top third takes the same hit as the middle and bottom third when pay cuts come. Nobody laughs all the way to the bank...except management that is.

Carl
No Carl, you will. You will take your Pension that you sold out the bottom of your list for (Compass AKA NewCo) and a few years of big pay rates. When you downturn comes you will either be retired or won't let the door hit you on the way out. You will be richer and I will be unemployed.
Old 10-26-2010 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
No Carl we did by voting yes to our respective 1113C contracts.

Carl, save the expectation drivel. How about you volunteer for ALPA again, quit dividing the group with DPA and get our pilots unified.

Some would accuse you of doing management's work by dividing the group as well.
ACL check your pm's
Old 10-26-2010 | 05:47 PM
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Hmmmm....
Things have taken a turn for the worse.
This thread needs some cheerleaders about now.

Old 10-26-2010 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Hmmmm....
Things have taken a turn for the worse.
This thread needs some cheerleaders about now.

The only good thing about the Dallas Cowboys.....
Old 10-26-2010 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8



So I think you're right: stagnation could be the new normal. The only thing that could change that picture would be economic growth in general, and perhaps a competitive response to uCAL or another merger that would let us grow somewhat faster than GDP.

I
Stagnation may now be normal - but it sure as hell aint new. In the late summer of 2000 when the 727 guys were displaced out of LAX I was forecast to be about 115 out of about 150 on the SLC 73NB on the projected category list.

10 years later I am at a slightly higher % on the LAX 73NB. I would say that pretty much qualifies as 10 years of stagnation. A lost decade etc. Need I continue?

Scoop

Oh well - at least I can once again drive to work.
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