LAX73NB and SEA7ERB would be included in the deal.
Whatever is the most junior category in every base.

The incentives could even vary by base. Whatever it takes to get people to want to be on reserve at that base. Pay a bit more for NYC for example (because few live there and there are less potential reserves). A bit less for SLC or ATL.

I doubt the idea would fly. Too radical.

ACL is certainly correct. It would tend to make reserve more junior in the upper categories. But so what? People would still bid what they want and want what they bid.

What it does is shift contract negotiation "resources" away from those folks who want to spend our negotiating capital to make reserve more "commutable".
I know I'll draw flak, but in my opinion if you are going to commute you should bid a category where your seniority allows you to have a regular line. The guys who live in base can sit reserve. It is just plain dumb, not to mention inefficient and illogical, to waste our leverage going after contract terms that would allow more guys to live in Wyoming and be bidding reserve in Los Angeles. I'd much rather use that leverage to get better payrates, higher DC contributions and sick rules and all the other stuff we want.

 

That's why I like my idea, it gives pilots an incentive to live within 1 to 3 hours (driving ACL) of the bases closest to where they actually live. Again, there are probably a few thousand pilots on reserve at this airline, someone has to be on reserve and not everyone can hold a line.

 

Given the possibilities of the NPRM I do not think anyone would want to blow capital on commuting items unless it is something like NWA had. One flight then a PS. Make it a contractual item and not a policy that can be amended without mutual consent.

As you suggest that means that the same jet in different bases would have different rules.

I do not see that flying at all. It actually would make a financial incentive to create less bases because of the cost savings of more jets in a given base, meaning less jets and seats under the better rules. Wanna Ax a few East Coast and West Coast medium sized bases, go forward with this plan.

 

Thanks Scambo. It's one possible solution but I have to admit, most of that came from the older NWA contract under TDY, which I used for about a year. I just modified it to apply towards pilots trying to get into a base within a few hours of home.

 

I assume that is one to three driving hours and flight hours. Cannot discriminate on that one. a Commute is a commute

 

You won't catch any flak from me. I agree with all the above!

Denny

 

Agreed- actually I assumed he was talking about flying or driving, your choice. In many cases, a 1-3 hour flight beats the same drive.

 

Na....just think the problem in the ATL is timing and space not personnel
On another note anyone see where the company is going to stop withholding union dues from PMNW FA's effective Friday?

 

Everyone keeps talking about negotiating capital... The reality is, as a bottom line, the pay scales from 2000 should be restored and likely a much higher DC, say 18% or even higher for a guy closer to 60. NB crew rates should be set to at least SWA plus 1%, increasing for 75/76 and up. Whether inflation since 2000 is taken into account, that's negotiating capital. I sincerely hope that ALPA burries the concept of "small incremental gains" and sets an absolute minimum baseline for Delta pilots in 2012. The threshold for a strike or supporting a future CBA should be set in stone BEFORE any negotiating capital is spent.

I know the demographics are skewed as we have pilots form the midwest and all corners of the country, but I sincerely hope a major airline pilot for the number one airline can make more than a city police officer in Socal, before even considering their retirement of 3%/year. Here, I make half of what my buddy does as a seargent.

 

I like you more everyday... Dude, for me... never again will I commute 5:15 from work, or 3 for that matter. It's been tough as heck, but finally starting to see the light; based close to home, ok pay, great equipment and awesome trips. Glad I didn't throw in the towel, force my wife to abandon her career and move into whatever base was available two or three years ago as a newhire. Everyone plays the same deck of cards a little different.

But it was 3 driving hours based off that spreadsheet that came out pre-merger showing who from which airline lived within 180 miles of whatever base. The westcoast was very interesting.