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03-17-2011 | 07:08 AM
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Not really. If we had a pure longevity-based system, you could look at the captains in any given category (assuming the flying was not particularly ugly or great), and cross out the junior 10, 15, or 20% (whatver the company wished to reduce). If T isn't in the bottom of his category, there would be no reason he would need to displace at all, because the distribution of Captains would be close to even across all fleets. Tha's the problem: T wouldn't have to be displaced, and neither would most people.
03-17-2011 | 07:11 AM
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Not really. If we had a pure longevity-based system, you could look at the captains in any given category (assuming the flying was not particularly ugly or great), and cross out the junior 10, 15, or 20% (whatver the company wished to reduce). If T isn't in the bottom of his category, there would be no reason he would need to displace at all, because the distribution of Captains would be close to even across all fleets. Tha's the problem: T wouldn't have to be displaced, and neither would most people.
No, I probably would be displaced... and I stand an even better chance of being displaced if the whales get parked.
03-17-2011 | 07:12 AM
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03-17-2011 | 07:13 AM
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Why would Delta want to park the 747s right now anyways?
03-17-2011 | 07:15 AM
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03-17-2011 | 07:15 AM
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The protections exist already, and they are the best kinds of protections of all, because they involve greenbacks rather than contractual terms: the company can't reduce flying across all fleets, or eliminate a senior fleet right now, at least not in a cost-effective way. That's not because the contract prevents it (they know how to get around that), but because of where the senior pilots are concentrated.
I'm sure you'd be the frst to argue NFC's are not worth the paper they're printed on, so the better protections are always financial or physical limitiations placed on the company. If they have to train everyone in huge cascade events because people are displacing to a different airplane, they have a serious incentive not to reduce/furlough without a long-term payback. I don't know what contractual protections you would wish to add, but these cannot trump the limitations that would be recognized by the company's own bean-counters.
So I think you're tired of arguing this because you've just found the perfect argument against longevity pay, and you're stuck. I hadn't even thought of it beforehand: longevity pay is the perfect way to ensure easy, smooth, economical reductions in flying.
I'm sure you'd be the frst to argue NFC's are not worth the paper they're printed on, so the better protections are always financial or physical limitiations placed on the company. If they have to train everyone in huge cascade events because people are displacing to a different airplane, they have a serious incentive not to reduce/furlough without a long-term payback. I don't know what contractual protections you would wish to add, but these cannot trump the limitations that would be recognized by the company's own bean-counters.
So I think you're tired of arguing this because you've just found the perfect argument against longevity pay, and you're stuck. I hadn't even thought of it beforehand: longevity pay is the perfect way to ensure easy, smooth, economical reductions in flying.
03-17-2011 | 07:17 AM
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03-17-2011 | 07:19 AM
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Damn.. what a stupid idea it would be then.... fewer junior pilots getting displaced in the event of an entire fleet getting parked... wow, I hope I remember to breathe. But even if I did get displaced under current system, I take a paycut. Under LBP, I wouldn't.... yeah.. stupid idea.
03-17-2011 | 07:29 AM
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I would not worry about that. Really. It is a huge hole in their WB lift, and one that they would regret.
If they in fact did this, I would be concerned at the reasoning behind the action. Japan is important to us, but by gawd, those jets can be filled other places with our route network.
I can think of a few places.
Once or twice weekly service to Fiji. (AF does it from LAX but we could do it from somewhere else)
How about JFK-GIG, maybe DXB from JFK, how about AMS, LAX-SIN, LAX-BOM.
There are plenty of ways for us to rerack our jets on existing routes, increase mod lines to improve or product quicker. Once we get past this crisis, we will see that there is a need.
**Also do not forget that we love MAC flying and MAC flying loves us!
More Whales to do that flying makes the DOD very happy. The military personnel are happier too.
You should have heard the stories of one group I took to Asia. The went from their base to LAX-HNL-GUM-somewhere in the Marshall Islands to their destination on a 737 flown by Miami Air.(refueling stops only) So yes, our long range jets will have a home.
Ahh, now that, that is over, lets talk about who is going to win the NCAA tourney.
If they in fact did this, I would be concerned at the reasoning behind the action. Japan is important to us, but by gawd, those jets can be filled other places with our route network.
I can think of a few places.
Once or twice weekly service to Fiji. (AF does it from LAX but we could do it from somewhere else)
How about JFK-GIG, maybe DXB from JFK, how about AMS, LAX-SIN, LAX-BOM.
There are plenty of ways for us to rerack our jets on existing routes, increase mod lines to improve or product quicker. Once we get past this crisis, we will see that there is a need.
**Also do not forget that we love MAC flying and MAC flying loves us!
More Whales to do that flying makes the DOD very happy. The military personnel are happier too. You should have heard the stories of one group I took to Asia. The went from their base to LAX-HNL-GUM-somewhere in the Marshall Islands to their destination on a 737 flown by Miami Air.(refueling stops only) So yes, our long range jets will have a home.
Ahh, now that, that is over, lets talk about who is going to win the NCAA tourney.
03-17-2011 | 07:31 AM
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Damn.. what a stupid idea it would be then.... fewer junior pilots getting displaced in the event of an entire fleet getting parked... wow, I hope I remember to breathe. But even if I did get displaced under current system, I take a paycut. Under LBP, I wouldn't.... yeah.. stupid idea.
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