That statement kind of rubbed me the wrong way. What more did you expect to give up to get this? Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it sounds like you might have been expecting to have to give up something and that you are relieved we didn't. If that's not what you meant... sorry, but I do think we need to be more careful how we say things so that they are not subject to being misinterpreted. Perception and expectations are important.

My gosh 88. The point is and was that there was no quid pro quo, and yes, it was said TIC.

Point was they were all improvement with no give. No more no less, Sir!

Got it. But I'm not sure you got my point. We (and especially anyone who is in an official or even unofficial leadership position) need to be careful that what we say is not misinterpreted like that. Especially given that many of the LM proactive engagement supporters keep saying things like "what are you willing to give up to get that?" IMO, our MEC administration has spent the last several years setting the wrong expectations. To overcome that deficit, we need to be very clear that there will be no quid pro quo's. We're digging out of a very large hole and there is nothing more for us to give! Management needs to understand this. And even many in our own pilot group need to understand it. I'm glad that you do.

Kudos to actually getting progress made on crewpass! Too bad it took this to get their butts in gear...

Huh? 717's? Anyone? Discuss

What else would you like to hear?

I said that rumors are going around that we are looking at them, and offered other tidbits.

ACL jumped in with a confirmation.

Deadhead queried if we could fly them in a single category, with the modified 88's.

Forgot to bid said they could be flown in one category if we go to the sim every 90 days.

T square said, what? What about the AirTran guys? They're going to get hosed.

Johnso29 likes what he's hearing.

Columbia wanted credit (and gets it, in my book) for the rumor, and wonders if he is chopped liver.

That's about it. All this was covered over the last 3 pages if you want the unedited version.

HA! You're funny and its really funny when you look at it in review. Now can you do a cliff notes for this thread and the DPA thread? And maybe one of the SWA threads?

Now you know, that avatar picture is upsetting. :D

Could you give a quick rundown from GuardDude's First Original Post???:)

Nice Jughead. You just saved me 10 minutes! Thanks

Hey Jug,
Wouldn't AAI/SWA really like to keep these airframes out of DAL's hands ?:confused: