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RoughLandings 12-11-2010 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 914415)
Who lives up there by choice?

<--------------------------This guy.

BTW, Snowpocalypse 2010 is going great! Here's the picture outside my window:


















Awesome.

acl65pilot 12-11-2010 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 914585)
A helpful post, but we were trying to remember how long scheduling at NWA had us on the hook for when on reserve. :)


I know but what matters now is what gets you off for Christmas this year.

hockeypilot44 12-11-2010 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 914585)
A helpful post, but we were trying to remember how long scheduling at NWA had us on the hook for when on reserve. :)

15 hours. Overall the Delta and NWA reserve systems are a wash in my opinion. The NWA system honored seniority a little better. Senior pilots could do all long calls and rack up the hours as long calls were used first. Other senior pilots in base could avoid flying by doing all short calls. At NWA, if you had a single day of reserve left, you were always short call (negative). We only had 11 and 12 days off at NWA. At Delta we have 12 and 13. I really like the 2 hour commute at Delta when starting a short call. At NWA this was a big no-no. At NWA, reserves had the same minimum day credit as lineholders and the guarantee was 75 hours. That's a huge negative at Delta. Nothing offends me more than being paid less credit than my lineholding captain just because I'm reserve.

sailingfun 12-11-2010 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 914507)
If they haven't notified you of your removal from original assignment by 12 hours prior to your original show then you have no recovery obligation. You'll be paid for your original trip. You can even WS.

However, if they do notify you before the 12 hr mark & you acknowledge your assignment BEFORE 3 hours PRIOR to your originally scheduled report time you're subject to 23.G.5.a.1

I just went through this at the beginning of the month. There were multiple trips in open time, & recovery flying guys get assigned open time BEFORE reserves so I preferenced the trips I wanted so I didn't get stuck with a crummy trip. If there are trips in open time I'd use the PCS option to pref unless you don't care. I commute, so I wanted to pick a commutable trip.

If they notify you before 12 hours but don't assign you a trip you have to be 'promptly available' from original report until 6 hours after.

Clear as mud? :)

Hope this helps.


I am not a contract expert on reserve but I don't believe the last sentence is correct. They have to assign you a trip prior to the 12 hours. They can not notify you that you are on reserve and make you go to base for 6 hours. The only way you end up on the 6 hour leash is if they attempt to assign you a trip and you do not acknowledge the trip by 3 hours prior. You are then obligated to sit short call for 6 hours starting at your original report.

johnso29 12-11-2010 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 914616)
I am not a contract expert on reserve but I don't believe the last sentence is correct. They have to assign you a trip prior to the 12 hours. They can not notify you that you are on reserve and make you go to base for 6 hours. The only way you end up on the 6 hour leash is if they attempt to assign you a trip and you do not acknowledge the trip by 3 hours prior. You are then obligated to sit short call for 6 hours starting at your original report.

Yup. That's correct. I'll edit my post. :)

iceman49 12-11-2010 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 914585)
A helpful post, but we were trying to remember how long scheduling at NWA had us on the hook for when on reserve. :)

If you declined HIT prior to the end of the last duty period where you were projected to go above 70:45 you could decline extra flying. You had 11 days off in 30 with 6 of them inviolate. Reserve patterns did have holidays off for a certain amount of lines, you had the "choice" to bid RSV or a Line if you could hold it. NWA used the rap system where you were on duty for 15 hours and off for 9, and on the last day of rsv you were not required to be available after 6 pm. 75 hours of pay guar.

johnso29 12-11-2010 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 914607)
I know but what matters now is what gets you off for Christmas this year.

The only thing that will keep me home for Christmas this year is an illness. Otherwise, I'll be racing Santa's Sleigh. :D

johnso29 12-11-2010 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 914625)
If you declined HIT prior to the end of the last duty period where you were projected to go above 70:45 you could decline extra flying. You had 11 days off in 30 with 6 of them inviolate. Reserve patterns did have holidays off for a certain amount of lines, you had the "choice" to bid RSV or a Line if you could hold it. NWA used the rap system where you were on duty for 15 hours and off for 9, and on the last day of rsv you were not required to be available after 6 pm. 75 hours of pay guar.

That would've been helpful info in the past. I was always told I had to go over 80 hours! :eek:

Oh well, it's moot now. Or as Joey from Friends would say 'The point is like a cow, ya know, cause it's moo.' :D

firstmob 12-11-2010 09:53 AM

Have we received any compensation from Boeing for the 787 delays?

johnso29 12-11-2010 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by firstmob (Post 914632)
Have we received any compensation from Boeing for the 787 delays?

IDK. They haven't announced anything.


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