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I just flew with a FNW pilot and asked him about this. He used to be on the 747-400 and flew with all of the senior guys. Anyways, he indicated that the red book / green book hatred runs pretty deep. I guess that the green book guys are just getting on the 747 (or within the last few years) and are staying around (despite almost working for free because of their retirements) hoping to block the red book guys off the 747 until the DL/NW fences fall in four years so that the former Delta guys can bid the airplane and keep the old red book guys out of it.

At least that's how he explained it. Nothing like working for free just out of spite.

A little knowledge might help you here. The redbook/greenbook thing is pretty much dead. On the last Award 747-400, capt went down to 2198 or so and it was a mix of red and green guys. If the above was true it should have been solid former green guys which was no where near the case. There might be 1 or 2 guys out there with this intent but you are way off base on this one.:D

tsquare

12-11-2010 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 914732)

Gents,
Lets not ask for increasing any hours in any way. 75 hours for reserve sounds good, but let’s not give any ideas that we can work more. Big part of deterioration of our profession is that pilots everywhere have to fly more to make ends meet and run companies understaffed. Too many people are overworked and half depressed.

I think we should ask for 60 hour line guarantee and 65 hour reserve pay with doubling our hourly rates.

Not to forget the main point of any new contract: RULES and more important than rates.

Be real. doubling of payrates ain't gonna happen. Call it managing expectations if you want.. but it ain't gonna happen. 60 hour reserve guarantee is nice for featherbedding of jobs.. but... really? Pilots fly more, because they can. Now that everyone has tasted 100 hours/month.. that is the new norm. It will be portrayed as a pay cut by some on here.. already has... So... if you reinstitute a monthly cap, then you might be onto something, but good luck with THAT..

944Turbo

12-11-2010 03:30 PM

Well I was hoping for a green slip tomorrow.... The snowplows won't even plow.... But my diesel deere plowed right thru 18" of snow and my 530 ft. long driveway. I don't think my rear wheel drive wagon will get me to work...

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/me...-snow-2010.jpg

KC10 FATboy

12-11-2010 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingViking (Post 914781)

My entire rotation was canceled. I guess we are all heading for recovery flying....

Here is the ATIS this morning when I was there.

MSP INFO G 1439Z SPECIAL 03017G25KT 1/4SM +SN FZFG VV002 M07/M08 A2982. ILS APCH RWY 35 IN USE. RWYS 12L, 30R CLSD, RWYS 12R, 30L CLSD. TWY B CLSD BTWN M AND BRAVO 8 FOR DEICING. BA ADZYS IN EFCT. RWY 4 MU 22 26 36 AT 1445Z SNW, RWY 35 MU 55 67 62 at 1140Z SNOW. CAUTION, MIGRATING WATERFOWL IN VCNTY MSP ARPT. READ BACK ALL HD AND ALT.. ALL ACFT TAXI WITH TRANSPONDER AND ALTITUDE ENCONDING ON. ADVS YOU HAVE INFO G.

Apparently, the truck that goes onto the runway to determine friction numbers got stuck in snow. That is when they closed the airport.

Goodtimes. :D

scambo1

12-11-2010 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 914835)

What does that MU relate to plain english braking action?

Yuk!

80ktsClamp

12-11-2010 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 914835)

Here is the ATIS this morning when I was there.

MSP INFO G 1439Z SPECIAL 03017G25KT 1/4SM +SN FZFG VV002 M07/M08 A2982. ILS APCH RWY 35 IN USE. RWYS 12L, 30R CLSD, RWYS 12R, 30L CLSD. TWY B CLSD BTWN M AND BRAVO 8 FOR DEICING. BA ADZYS IN EFCT. RWY 4 MU 22 26 36 AT 1445Z SNW, RWY 35 MU 55 67 62 at 1140Z SNOW. CAUTION, MIGRATING WATERFOWL IN VCNTY MSP ARPT. READ BACK ALL HD AND ALT.. ALL ACFT TAXI WITH TRANSPONDER AND ALTITUDE ENCONDING ON. ADVS YOU HAVE INFO G.

Apparently, the truck that goes onto the runway to determine friction numbers got stuck in snow. That is when they closed the airport.

Goodtimes. :D

At least the water fowl are still migrating.

80ktsClamp

12-11-2010 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 914850)

What does that MU relate to plain english braking action?

Yuk!

Theres a translation in your FOM. If I remember correctly, above 40 is good.

satchip

12-11-2010 04:27 PM

It was sunny and 70 deg in Texas today. I just grilled steaks outside. Think we'll sleep with the windows open tonight. I'm forgetting I even have a job.:D

boog123

12-11-2010 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 914835)

So what is the "policy" when commuters can't get to rotations/ short call due to such adverse weather and/or so many cancelled flights?

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