Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > Delta
Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? >

Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Search

Notices

Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-16-2010 | 07:36 AM
  #54691  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
From: MD88A
Default

Originally Posted by johnso29
Ferd can ya help a rookie out?

I downloaded firefox & icrew max. I also followed the directions in the article you linked. Now how do I get my schedule onto my google calendar? I have all Windows based programs so I don't think I can open .ics files.

I mailed one to my iPhone, but it's just jumbled text. Any ideas?
Take a look at this - maybe it will help by setting up an exchange account.

Google Calendar and Iphone
Old 12-16-2010 | 07:39 AM
  #54692  
Moderator
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,088
Likes: 0
From: B757/767
Default

Originally Posted by sevenfiveseven
Take a look at this - maybe it will help by setting up an exchange account.

Google Calendar and Iphone
I got it all squared away. Thanks for the link.
Old 12-16-2010 | 07:41 AM
  #54693  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 67
Likes: 0
Default

More Jan bids out this morning - if you're into that kind of frustration....
Old 12-16-2010 | 07:43 AM
  #54694  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 67
Likes: 0
Default

Hey, did anyone else notice on the investor slide show from yesterday that WestJet was on the slide with the global airline alliances? I thought they walked away from us too, after trying to steal them from SWA.
Old 12-16-2010 | 07:45 AM
  #54695  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 284
Likes: 0
Default

Thursday morning Delta put out a release touting additional first class seating. Most of it is stuff we've already been told - M9K goes to 16; M8K goes to 16; 76Q goes to 30...

But also listed is the 757-200 fleet going from 24 to 28!?!? Is anyone aware how they're going to pull that off? I figured 26 seats to make it equal with the 75X. Is this a typo? We'd have to remove forward galley space or slide back a restroom at 2R or remove the entire galley on the 757 at 2L and the entertainment rack at 2L on the 75X. And that's just the DL fleet, not talking about how you can take PMNW 75N's from 22 to 28...
Old 12-16-2010 | 07:47 AM
  #54696  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 5,113
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by scambo1
Bar;

Great post!

I think unity starts with ALPA though. Maybe it is time for a union re-education program. To be honest, the high road cannot start with the Delta pilots.

I dont think there is any hope for reconciliation with Comair tho. Mgmt has already stonewalled them and started to cut them adrift, couple this with "bad blood" and the march of time. Comair pilots individually can be great folks, but they are on a sinking ship and need to realize it.

JMO as divisive as it sounds.
Your opinion isn't divisive. The division was opened up with the RJDC lawsuit. Across the divide remained a few bridges, fragile as they were, but these were burned to a crisp with the Lawson hiring letter.

There are many good people at Comair, and I will always judge an individual on their own merits, but I think that as a group, they've made it impossible for us to work with them in any constructive manner.
Old 12-16-2010 | 07:51 AM
  #54697  
Jabberwock's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 126
Likes: 0
From: Boardroom Chair
Default

Originally Posted by Check Essential
The larger RJs may be an asset, but the rest of Comair is a liability.
The "all RJ" white elephant terminal in CVG, the 50 seat jets, etc. - all money losers.
And sailingfun is right about the pilots. The senior guys are poison.
Management wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole (or a stapler). And no other airline wants that headache.
The flight attendants are no picnic either.

Comair is a write-off.
It might be now, but it is still an asset we own. Why didn't we award our flying to our subsidiary and flip it?

If it is a write off (and it probably is) how much of our money did we destroy? Can't call it anything but lousy management.
Old 12-16-2010 | 08:04 AM
  #54698  
Jabberwock's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 126
Likes: 0
From: Boardroom Chair
Default

Originally Posted by Sink r8
The division was opened up with the RJDC lawsuit. Across the divide remained a few bridges, fragile as they were, but these were burned to a crisp with the Lawson hiring letter.

There are many good people at Comair, and I will always judge an individual on their own merits, but I think that as a group, they've made it impossible for us to work with them in any constructive manner.
Your perspective ... from their perspective they were bought, their code was taken, their merger request denied, their attempts at negotiating scope to protect their jobs refused, their flying was dispersed. Clearly they saw the divide as having happened at the 2000 ALPA Board of Director's meeting.

When they organized and started to fight back, that is when you noticed the division.

Not that I condoned the lawsuit or supported it, but I understood why they decided to fight back. From their perspective, they were happy at a rapidly growing, highly profitable, airline which was telling them DC9's were coming to fly under Comair code. Delta bought them, excluded them from "their" flying and trashed the place. While they certainly contributed to the battle damage, history has proven most of their worst fears were spot on accurate.

In Comair's salad days they had their own code, own tickets, or marketing. Certainly they were growing into markets Delta was leaving, but as far as they were concerned it was no different than Starbucks moving into where Dunkin Doughnuts had been. They developed a lot of their own routes.

My understanding was that part of the reason for buying Comair was to capture it's expansion and leverage it.

You and I know the history of other regional airlines who tried to make it on their own code. Atlantic Coast, MidWay, MidWest all died with pilots losing their jobs. Comair and ASA might have done the same, but that is historical conjecture. They know Delta bought them and blame Delta for their problems.

Last edited by Jabberwock; 12-16-2010 at 08:17 AM.
Old 12-16-2010 | 08:11 AM
  #54699  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 588
Likes: 0
From: A-320/A
Default

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Flying Douglas equipment does that to you.
Now THAT is funny...and I DO fly Douglas equipment!
Old 12-16-2010 | 08:14 AM
  #54700  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 5,113
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Jabberwock
It might be now, but it is still an asset we own. Why didn't we award our flying to our subsidiary and flip it?

If it is a write off (and it probably is) how much of our money did we destroy? Can't call it anything but lousy management.
You can't call anything about the RJ plague except a failure by management... and us, for allowing it to exist. Billions and billions of dollars flushed (along with our jobs) down the toilet in an experiment to see if the basic premises of econmics and the laws of physics could be tampered with.

And of course, the theory is that we paid (dearly) for Comair because we couldn't control it well enough. And maybe all we gain was the right to kill it.

At the same time, I don't really see what the intrinsic value is. Since all regional carriers hide under our brand, they don't bring a brand. They don't bring anything, from management's standpoint, that another DCI carrier doesn't. Any assets they have that we want to keep, we don't have to sell. So I don't see any unique value that it brings. So when people say it's an asset, I'm not sure what they mean. It's an asset that would require a huge investment going forward, and an "asset" that offer an undifferentiated product at a greater cost. Why would a CEO get sentimental about it? They probably look at it in terms of an experiment in outsourcing, and since it wasn't particularly successful, they probably will shut it down at the lowest cost. No second-thought given, smoke-a-cigar-drink-a-cognac-and-go-to-bed-and-sleep-like-a-baby-like.

What's a little ominous in all of this, of course, is that you could fast-forward ten years, and substitute the words "Skyteam" for "Delta", and "Delta" for "DCI" or "Comair".

Which is precisely why we should have a NSL that allows us not to be whipsawed against our own, and VERY effective language in any JV agreements so that we can't be whipsawed from aborad either.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
On Autopilot
Regional
22617
11-05-2021 07:03 AM
AeroCrewSolut
Delta
153
08-14-2018 12:18 PM
Bill Lumberg
Major
71
06-13-2012 08:36 AM
Quagmire
Major
253
04-16-2011 06:19 AM
JiffyLube
Major
12
03-07-2008 04:27 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices