I agree with most of your post. There are two things however that need to be considered. The first is that the numbers used during the 1113 hearing were expected costs post bankruptcy. I don't believe the merger reduced the mainline costs so not a big change there. The second issue is that you make the assumption that if the mainline took over all the outsourced flying that it would remain the same. That is a very bad assumption. There is a point where you price yourself out of the market and lose the feed. The net result could actually be a loss of mainline jobs not a gain.
The very difficult question is how do you determine what the network could effectively fly if the mainline took over all the flying. Would you gain 1000 RJ jet jobs but lose 1000 mainline jobs with less feed because you could no longer compete in many feed markets.
The numbers showed that on the smaller RJ's below 70 seats that was the case. For every RJ job we gained we would lose a higher paying job because of loss of feed. The real question is where is the break point. I believe its with the EMB170/175 and they should be at the mainline. Others might put it at the 70 seaters and many at all jets. I suspect if we scoped every jet Delta outsources today many would be stunned at how few mainline jobs it created. If your competitor can pick up a passenger in BUF and fly them to JFK cheaper then you can to take them on to FCO you lose that passenger. Eventually you lose the BUF to JFK route.
There are quite a few airlines with much tighter scope then we have out there. As far as I can tell every single one of them has hired few pilots or has pilots on furlough then Delta since the flood of Chapter 11 filings.
The big job loss at the Delta mainline was not because the mainline block hours went down. In fact the mainline block hours in June of 07 prior to the merger were almost exactly the same as in 01 yet we had 2500 fewer line pilots. Those 2500 jobs lost were due to work rule changes.
The big variable in all of this is getting every airline to start bring jet jobs back to their respective mainlines. If that is done then there would be a balance of feed and there would not be massive shifts in flying.
I think a excellent start would be for Delta to bring the E170/175 into the mainline. Some of that flying would be dropped in the transition as no longer cost viable but the net result I think would be a significant gain in mainline jobs. Not 1 for 1 as the jets come over but still a large gain.
This takes pressure off other airlines to allow outsourcing larger jets especially the CAL/UAL deal and a possible future contract at AMR if the NMB ever allows them back into mediation.

 

Thanks for the info Everyone. Downloaded Version 10.6.5 and going to give it a try this morning. My problem is on the page after the SD video, the page loads but no nav buttons IE: Back, Continue, or Exit.

IMHO, as for the DC-9, (fmr Super Premium Wide Body F/O) I have only been on it a year, but it's cold in the winter, hot in the summer and wet when it rains or when they de-ice. Also, the trips suck, here's hoping for a displacement. I spent most of my career going to Asia and Europe, LIT & BHM doesn't do it for me. Some guys like it, but most are looking to get off it. YMMV.


Thanks again for the MAC help.

 

Still no luck, maybe someone is at the e-Learning Help Desk today......

 

OBTW, I have yet to see a response to my letter to our union leadership regarding our MEC Chair's omission of Scope from his list of priorities.

 

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You must have received a different letter from the Chairman then the one I got via email. In the letter I received he did not have any list of priorities. He only stated one thing and that was that in the lec meetings and lounge visits he heard loud and clear from the pilots that compensation was the primary issue. Having been at one of the lounge visits I can tell you that that is exactly what the pilots stated over and over again. In fact I sadly I did not hear scope mentioned.

Here are his comments.

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Our sacrifices in bankruptcy were instrumental in allowing both pre‐merger companies to survive and, despite incremental improvements, you continue to feel the burden of those sacrifices every month.
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The union and the pilots banded together to facilitate a historic merger, whose success may never be duplicated, yet our bankruptcy sacrifices have, for the most part, gone unrewarded.
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Our sacrifices and efforts have contributed to an industry powerhouse that is now thriving, which was a primary intent of the significant investment in our company. Yet, our compensation has not dramatically improved.
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You expect to prosper as our company prospers.
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You expect this prosperity to come sooner rather than later in the way of significant contractual gains.
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While several sections of our contract need improvement, direct compensation is by far the primary issue.//////

Show me his list of priorities in the letter and where scope was omitted from that list.
Here is another portion of the letter.

////We have a lot of work to do, and I ask that you do your part. Read the material provided and then talk to your elected LEC reps or find a P2P volunteer to provide your feedback about what you like and don’t like about these communications, about the issues or about the direction of your union.
In short, we want your input and we are listening./////

As it should be his list of priorities for the contract is not even formed yet. He is asking for your input to form that list. There will be numerous chances for you to do so with the biggest being the contract survey. He should not have a list or priorities at this point. He is doing exactly what should be done. Gather input from the pilots to form a basis for a contract opener that reflects the wishes and desires of the pilot group.

 

Are you sure you're using the latest version of Flash?

 

I do agree it was not a C2012 list of priorities, but the reality is good scope and good pay go hand in had.

 

I don't get it. According to some of the "vocal opposition" L. Moak had too strong a hand and was "steering the MEC to further his own agenda".

The new MEC Chairman states clearly that we are way short of what we should be getting, is setting up ways to communicate better and gather from the membership as much info as possible so that a clear set of member driven goals can be set.

This same "vocal opposition" then complains that the new MEC Chairman isn't setting the priorities. WE were supposed to give our LEC and MEC our input and the LEC's and MEC get together and decide the priorities, then tell the MEC Chairman to execute those priorities.

T.O. is collecting information in order to allow the will of the pilots/LEC's be his guide.

Are we truly going to continue to b!tch and complain no matter what is done?

The first letter was a huge helping of: "I'm hearing you, I want to hear more from you, I'm ****ed that we're underpaid too! I'll use all the tools that I can to go get what the pilots want (and more), so I'm going to give you avenues to let us know exactly what you want!"

I guess some people just aren't happy until they aren't happy.

 

Shiz that is correct, and I do expect this MEC to take its direction from the pilots. T.O. hears the pilots and will engage every resource at his disposal to further their agenda.