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Old 01-07-2011, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone View Post

I have a hard time understanding, why Mainline flying needs to be outsourced. SWA doesnt outsource and look at their compensation and profits and culture.

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In part they are two distinctly different models. The hub and spoke legacy model dictates that much of the feed to the hub come from feeder cities. Feed needed for both domestic and international flights. Flying to low traffic airports (moreso in the past) allowed southwest to avoid traffic delays at the legacy hubs. Also, southwest's turn times (and non-major hub flights) provides for more pilot productivity and efficiency.
However, they are becoming more and more similar. Southwest just dramatically revamped its frequent flyer program to better match the legacy programs. It will drive more loyalty and now includes the ability to fly to Hawaii and internationally. Not identical to traditional programs, but more similar than ever before.
Speaking of operating more like legacy carriers, this is certainly not the greatest news for southwest:

Southwest on-time rate falls to less than 55% says data report
By Lewis Lazare Media/Marketing columnist Jan 6, 2011 6:17AM
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10-12-10 Southwest Airlines at Midway airport. photo by Jean Lachat/Sun-Times
Southwest Airlines’ on-time arrival performance took another huge hit in December, according to data released this week by Portland, Ore.-based Flightstats, a respected provided of airline performance data.

The grim news for the low-fare carrier came as the U.S. Department of Transportation asked Southwest Airlines to explain why the data independently collected by Flightstats has begun to diverge so markedly in recent months from the on-time statistics Southwest internally generates and provides each month to the DOT.

According to Flightstats, only 54.65 percent of Southwest planes arrived on time in December. “On time” is defined as arriving at the gate within 15 minutes of the scheduled time. In December Southwest was dead last in on-time arrival performance among the 42 largest domestic carriers Flightstats tracks each month, the first time in recent memory — perhaps ever — that Southwest has been at the very bottom of the list.

Even though bad weather was a major factor impacting on-time performance for many carriers in December, both United Airlines and American Airlines still got 82.61 percent and 80.47 percent of their flights respectively to the gate on time for the month, according to Flightstats.

Southwest spokeswoman Brandy King would not reveal the airline’s own internally generated on-time arrival data for December, but she did say it was “significantly” higher than the 54.65 percent Flightstats is reporting. There was also a significant discrepancy in the November numbers.

Southwest executives in recent months have repeatedly said they were at a loss to explain why the Flightstats data has suddenly begun to differ so markedly from the airline’s own statistics. But the carrier has conceded it is grappling with several big operational issues, including record load factors and a growing number of connecting passengers at airports such as Chicago’s Midway, where Southwest is by far the dominant airline.

Record load factors have made it tougher to deplane passengers and load outbound travelers in the 25 to 35 minutes Southwest typically allots for the process. And increasingly, outbound planes at airports such as Midway have been held for late-arriving connecting passengers. Getting connecting luggage to the right planes has been a struggle as well.

Southwest also recently announced new senior executives in both its operations and scheduling departments, two key areas directly involved in the airline’s on-time performance.

For the past several months, Flightstats has indicated it was eager to work with Southwest to figure out why its data has begun to differ so markedly from Southwest’s internal statistics. Flightstats did get a call from Southwest after the Department of Transportation said on Tuesday that it wanted an explanation. “Flightstats is pleased to be working with Southwest,” said spokeswoman Meara McLaughlin, adding “we only want to represent true, timely and accurate data about the airlines.”

Southwest Airlines On-Time Arrival Performance August through December 2010

Flightstats U.S. Department of Transportation

August 81.2% 82.3

September 78.50 86.3

October 65.48 77.9

November 66.56 not yet released

December 54.65 not yet released
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD View Post
Same here. Just wondering if I was doing something wrong. I guess it is just Delta technology
Clear out your privacy settings (history, cache, cookies) and I bet it will work. I've had this problem with the atomic web browser.
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge View Post

They could squash DPA tomorrow forever if they took a strong public position that DELTA PILOTS FLY DELTA PASSENGERS!!!
SPOT ON!^^^^

DPA would be quickly swept into the dust bin of history if this and a few other basic changes were made.

1. True Bottom to top representation.

2. Complete transparency. FPL every month. Quarterly publishing of budget and accounts receivable and payable. (to include trips and incidentals at The Diplomate)

3. Effective communications commitee and tools. Not tools on the communications committee.

Those are my top three in addition to scope stance. Feel free to add.
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Gladioslave View Post
Me neither since me merged with DAL N!!
Originally Posted by slowplay View Post
This one gets the "stupid post of the day" award, imo.

You might think you won't see the left seat for that long because of the merger, but I think you kept a seat and aren't looking in from the outside from furlough (like every other major carrier had).
Way to go slow,

It gets an extra vote from me, too. The time to the left seat at NWA was pretty much the same as it was at Delta, before the merger.

For everyone bashing slow on this one, I don't see how it this post is a pro-ALPA post at all. It seems to me that is it more of a pro-merger post. What am I missing?
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:01 AM
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Way to go slow,

It gets an extra vote from me, too. The time to the left seat at NWA was pretty much the same as it was at Delta, before the merger.

For everyone bashing slow on this one, I don't see how it this post is a pro-ALPA post at all. It seems to me that is it more of a pro-merger post. What am I missing?
What is missed by some of the fDAL guys is the age demographics of the 2 groups. There are a lot more retirements percentage wise on the fNWA side in the near future that allows ALL pilots to move up. If those retirements were not here, the movement on the fDAL side would be slower than it actually will be in the future.
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JABDIP View Post
What is missed by some of the fDAL guys is the age demographics of the 2 groups. There are a lot more retirements percentage wise on the fNWA side in the near future that allows ALL pilots to move up. If those retirements were not here, the movement on the fDAL side would be slower than it actually will be in the future.
But, in a way, wasn't that what slow was saying? Why is he getting bashed from former North guys?
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JABDIP View Post
Any way to research why you were not given a swap with pot. Put in to drop on the 9th and pick up on the 18th to increase sch for 3 hours. Both trips were denied. Called the CPSC and they said that there was adequte reserve coverage when I did not get the swap on the first try and said to try again. Seems like something is not quite right here. Also one of the trips went away before a sch run. How does that happen??

Have you checked Rules Auditor?
PCS...Swap w/ pot...Rules Auditor

Some trips are 4(or 3) on paper when we consider them one less.

Also check the denial reason. Put "v" in the column next to the swap, then F4 after it's displayed.
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia View Post
In part they are two distinctly different models. The hub and spoke legacy model dictates that much of the feed to the hub come from feeder cities. Feed needed for both domestic and international flights. Flying to low traffic airports (moreso in the past) allowed southwest to avoid traffic delays at the legacy hubs. Also, southwest's turn times (and non-major hub flights) provides for more pilot productivity and efficiency.
However, they are becoming more and more similar. Southwest just dramatically revamped its frequent flyer program to better match the legacy programs. It will drive more loyalty and now includes the ability to fly to Hawaii and internationally. Not identical to traditional programs, but more similar than ever before.
Speaking of operating more like legacy carriers, this is certainly not the greatest news for southwest:

Southwest on-time rate falls to less than 55% says data report
By Lewis Lazare Media/Marketing columnist Jan 6, 2011 6:17AM
ShareE-MailPrint
10-12-10 Southwest Airlines at Midway airport. photo by Jean Lachat/Sun-Times
Southwest Airlines’ on-time arrival performance took another huge hit in December, according to data released this week by Portland, Ore.-based Flightstats, a respected provided of airline performance data.

The grim news for the low-fare carrier came as the U.S. Department of Transportation asked Southwest Airlines to explain why the data independently collected by Flightstats has begun to diverge so markedly in recent months from the on-time statistics Southwest internally generates and provides each month to the DOT.

According to Flightstats, only 54.65 percent of Southwest planes arrived on time in December. “On time” is defined as arriving at the gate within 15 minutes of the scheduled time. In December Southwest was dead last in on-time arrival performance among the 42 largest domestic carriers Flightstats tracks each month, the first time in recent memory — perhaps ever — that Southwest has been at the very bottom of the list.

Even though bad weather was a major factor impacting on-time performance for many carriers in December, both United Airlines and American Airlines still got 82.61 percent and 80.47 percent of their flights respectively to the gate on time for the month, according to Flightstats.

Southwest spokeswoman Brandy King would not reveal the airline’s own internally generated on-time arrival data for December, but she did say it was “significantly” higher than the 54.65 percent Flightstats is reporting. There was also a significant discrepancy in the November numbers
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Duuuuuuuh... yah THINK?!?!?!?! People buy it though. I have to hand it to SWA's propaganda machine... they are the best.



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Southwest executives in recent months have repeatedly said they were at a loss to explain why the Flightstats data has suddenly begun to differ so markedly from the airline’s own statistics. But the carrier has conceded it is grappling with several big operational issues, including record load factors and a growing number of connecting passengers at airports such as Chicago’s Midway, where Southwest is by far the dominant airline.

Record load factors have made it tougher to deplane passengers and load outbound travelers in the 25 to 35 minutes Southwest typically allots for the process. And increasingly, outbound planes at airports such as Midway have been held for late-arriving connecting passengers. Getting connecting luggage to the right planes has been a struggle as well.

Southwest also recently announced new senior executives in both its operations and scheduling departments, two key areas directly involved in the airline’s on-time performance.

For the past several months, Flightstats has indicated it was eager to work with Southwest to figure out why its data has begun to differ so markedly from Southwest’s internal statistics. Flightstats did get a call from Southwest after the Department of Transportation said on Tuesday that it wanted an explanation. “Flightstats is pleased to be working with Southwest,” said spokeswoman Meara McLaughlin, adding “we only want to represent true, timely and accurate data about the airlines.”

Southwest Airlines On-Time Arrival Performance August through December 2010

Flightstats U.S. Department of Transportation

August 81.2% 82.3

September 78.50 86.3

October 65.48 77.9

November 66.56 not yet released

December 54.65 not yet released
Thing is though.. nobody cares, because they are THE lowfare airline... aren't they?
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Gladioslave View Post
I have a buddy that started on Jan. 5th, SWA's first new class in a long time and their network director passed on to them "IF I were Delta I'd be very sacred in Atlanta". Any thoughts??
It is a red mean moment for them.
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Originally Posted by NuGuy View Post
And they wonder why DPA continues to get cards....

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Do they? Who knows. Their complete lack of transparency has everyone guessing how many cards they have. Funny how every negative they attach to ALPA communications is being repeated through them. And you think they will make things better???
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