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I wonder, is there any ground between faultless and completely incompetent. Could it be possible that ALPA does many things well, most things well, but still, like the rest of any organization filled with fallible humans, could they make some mistakes?

Tsquare's point is the same as many of us. He/we are not saying anyone is perfect or 100% incompetent. Your problem is that you cannot admit to any errors on ALPA's part until many years later when the facts are absolutely undeniable. All the lawyers, negotiations experts and EF&A guys get played like cheap violins by management, and folks like you crow about them being the world's experts in all areas of labor issues. THAT'S your problem. You are far too much of a cheerleader to be considered an accurate source of information to help decide the competence of ALPA national.

Carl

Carl Spackler

01-08-2011 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 926618)

Seems to me like scope is constantly brought up as a scare tactic by those with their own agendas. All I see here is a few guys fomenting fear over an issue where everyone knows any further errosion is non-negotiable. Take that.....dead horse.

You're the only one I know of to make such a statement. It would be great if you were right, but you are not.

Carl

johnso29

01-08-2011 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 927027)

And I got a nice week long trip going East after coming from the West. (Or something like that)

If this thing goes as scheduled I will once again be timed out before pay day.

You have been busy lately. Very busy.

Carl Spackler

01-08-2011 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 926656)

Carl; Frankly you are a minority. Many of the Senior Captains I fly with are very frank about the fact that all they want is money and they want it now.

You are clueless. You have such a blind hatred for senior pilots, you're simply unable to give up the template you've created that we're evil. Senior pilots are the ones that sold scope to line their own pockets. Senior pilots are the ones that by selling scope, made you lose 10 years of longeivity at Delta...even though you hadn't been hired at Delta.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 926656)

They only have a few years left and they need as much as they can get to retire. The hold no ill will, but that is what they say. So quit thinking I am slamming you.

I don't think you're slamming me. You've just been too indoctrinated by the RJ lifers you worked with that senior major pilots are scum. I'm sure many of the senior pilots you fly with tell you that scope is extremely important. But by the time you work it through your mind's template, it comes out as: "I want my pay and I want it now."

You are utterly clueless.

Carl

Carl Spackler

01-08-2011 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 926694)

Carl,

Yes, there are several ways that unwarranted concessions might occur. Historically, I think that more harm has been done to the profession by frightened, disunited pilot groups than by rogue representatives. The latter situation is more infuriating, but the former is harder to fix. :(

In this last decade, the two are one in the same. "Rogue" reps with agendas for higher office actually CAUSED the frightened and disunited pilot groups. In my opinion.

Carl

Carl Spackler

01-08-2011 07:24 PM

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