Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 926975)

It's going on as we speak...

There are many "scope" issues well beyond the RJs.
Take a look at Section 1 of our PWA and compare the AF JV, the old CAL, the RJ and the AS section.

• Our JV with AF is a great example of how to manage scope well and correctly with the ratio of ASMs set at 50% and reviewed annually.
• Our old CAL section had good provisions protecting ETOPs flying to the islands with similar percentages.
• Even the RJ section has ratios of flying set up with RJs required to fly to hubs from outsations and hub-tohub flying by RJs limited to 6%.
• Now look at the AS section the only limit is 25% of hub-to-hub flying and the 86-seat cap on codeshare. There are no Island-flying protections because the authors didn't picture AS doing ETOPs flying the way the CAL provisions were written.

Guess what, we just cancelled HNL flying from a bunch of our hubs with AS picking up he route often a day later...

• Should AS buy HA our current Section 1 would permit AS A330 flying HNL-NRT with the DL code.
  
• Looking over the fence UAL and Air Lingus are looking at setting up a JV to fly MAD-IAD with off seniority-list pilots.
  
• BA set up "Open Skies" to fly CDG-JFK with jets pulled from the BA fleet and staffed with new-hire pilots.

If you believe "scope" is an issue that requires nothing more than cursory attention you are seriously kidding yourself and need to take a look around in this industry on a global level...
We are not immune from these challenges, in fact should we succeed with our pay-restoration efforts - and I hope we do - we make the business case that much more compelling for outsourcing DL flying to non-Delta pilots.

If it is indeed such a "non-issue" just add the few words to the DALPA mission statement that direct the MEC to expand and protect the extent of Delta flying performed by Delta pilots.

Cheers
George

Links:
ba-pilots-prepared-strike-openskies-threatens

pilots-wary-of-proposed-united-airlines

Delta cancels PDX HNL

Delta cancels MSP HNL

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 926971)

Here is a prediction. There will be no real battle over relaxing scope in this contract. It wont even become a major issue. The fight will be to try and regain the EMB170/175 flying. If the EFA team can produce the numbers to show we can fly that flying at a reasonable cost compared to DCI it should be a all out war on our part.

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 926978)

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 927001)

Wow dude, that's the most vulgarity I've ever seen in a single post. Wow. Oh wait, you erase it...

:D

Just teasing.

Quick question because I'm looking through the contract on this one. My friend not thinking answered the phone call from scheduling in which they offered a GS but is unable to do it but scheduling demanded and he was unable to give a "contractual reason" as to why. They said call the CPO.

I'm researching this while everyone sleeps in my house. I've gone through the PWA and WSC's but just trying to
figure out if it's a proffer or not...

[update] found my answer in the when scheduling calls...

Originally Posted by satchip (Post 927005)

BTW, commuted home Friday with a bunch of Orange clad people from Alabama. Told them "Roll Tide, hope you guys win for the Glory of the Great State of Alabama!" just like the commercial. Seems Orbitz had the cheapest way to Phoenix as Delta to SAT and USA express to Sky Harbor.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 926927)

Just as a friendly reminder neither Southwest or the old AirTran have regional jets whether it is a 50 seater, 70 or 76... so my thought, SDF-ATL and LEX-ATL becomes SDF-LEX-ATL in an MD88... kill the RJ industry without having to negotiate a thing.


no idea what the math comes out to be

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 926947)

So the company comes to DALPA and says. "We would like to convert 20 of our 70 seaters allowed to 76 seaters. If you agree we have a tentative order for 100 C series jets. The switch from 70 seaters will occur in a 1 for 5 ratio. For each 5 C series jets on the property and flying we get to convert 1 70 seater to a 76 seater. The overall fleet number which is currently at XXX cannot go below the current number plus the C series slots or we lose the extra 76 seaters. If C series jets are removed from the fleet we remove the 76 seats in a inverse proportion. Deliveries of the C series will start in 6 months and we will post a bid next week.
Would you say no???

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 927015)

My day just got a lot easier tomorrow due to 'pro-active' cancellations in ATL. :D