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I agree, I'd say no too -- they could just get the C series without all the 70/76 seat wheeling and dealing if the plane is needed that badly.

Just because C series is being added in this hypothetical situation, doesn't negate scope erosion at the other end. Besides, just imagine the parked DC-9s as those C series planes. Then it really doesn't sound like a good deal at all. That's because . . . it's not.

Once again someone has not read the post. The total fleet numbers would have to increase by the C series numbers. They could not park other aircraft unless they also replaced those in addition to the 100 C series aircraft. The DC-9's will be long gone before Delta could get their first C series anyway if they get the other two blocks of MD90's they are looking at.
If however a proposal like what I posted was put to memory ratification it would pass with the highest margin of any other memrat. The company gets 120 extra seats at DCI and we get 10,000 to 12,000 new seats at the mainline and 500 to 700 new captains jobs depending on how much work rule restoration we get in the contract.
Once again however its all hypothetical. The company does not want a 100 seater and the mainline and wont expend any real effort to secure the aircraft at DCI. They do want a new 150 seater but are willing to wait until after 2020 for delivery again dependent on how many MD-90's they can get.

scambo1

01-09-2011 04:56 AM

Just for the record, in case anyone still has this info at their fingertips: How much did the various employee groups "give up" in BK? The other day, I had a FNWA FA tell me they gave up 45%. If true, that is news to me.

So: FNWA Pilots and FAs and DALS Pilots and FAs. Thanks, not flame, it just ought to be in the open.

acl65pilot

01-09-2011 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 927061)

You are clueless. You have such a blind hatred for senior pilots, you're simply unable to give up the template you've created that we're evil. Senior pilots are the ones that sold scope to line their own pockets. Senior pilots are the ones that by selling scope, made you lose 10 years of longeivity at Delta...even though you hadn't been hired at Delta.

I don't think you're slamming me. You've just been too indoctrinated by the RJ lifers you worked with that senior major pilots are scum. I'm sure many of the senior pilots you fly with tell you that scope is extremely important. But by the time you work it through your mind's template, it comes out as: "I want my pay and I want it now."

You are utterly clueless.

Carl

Carl, it is you that is clueless. You think that everyone that does not have your point of view is wrong, or some other derogatory comment.

I actually like senior pilots very much, and I probably would even enjoy my time with you if we flew together. Comments like that are so baseless, I often wonder why you even waste you time typing them.

Also, Carl beleive it or not, I carry on conversations with the guys I fly with. I actually want to know their opinion and where their opinion(s) on an issue are derived from. Since you still have over ten years left here, I am sure that someday you will get to tell me yours.

Also, probably the farthest thing from an RJ lifer. But thanks for another baseless insult.

acl65pilot

01-09-2011 05:01 AM

Scamb what the FA"s at the PMDAL tell me their top rate went from 60 an hr to 40 an hr.

Dirtdiver

01-09-2011 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 927149)

Had a FA tell me a couple years back she gave up 60%. "How's that?" I asked. Couldn't remember anyone coughing up more than us.
"My husband is a FA too, we each gave up 30%, that comes out to 60%"
"So how's the math dept at UGA?"

Dirtdiver

01-09-2011 05:46 AM

Back to scope, my opinion is that if DL mgt thinks the C series is the right equipment for our markets, buy 'em and we'll fly 'em. Want more 76 seaters? Buy those and we'll fly 'em also.

The restriction only kicks in if someone else is flying them

sailingfun

01-09-2011 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 927149)

The flight attendants at Delta took two 10 percent paycuts. The first cut was 10 percent across the board. The second cut was targeted a bit and was not across the board depending on years of service. That took their hourly wage from around 49.70 to just below 40 dollars an hour. In addition they had their work rules slashed to the bone. The work rules were however restored in Jul of 09. There have been 3 pay increases since chapter 11 ended and they are now back to 46.00 dollars an hour.
In addition to the above they pay more for their medical plans and lost a week of vacation much like the pilots. Neither has been restored.
You will on occasion here a flight attendant claim she was making 60 dollars an hour. Thats a bit of a lie. What they are talking about is prior to 2001 the Delta flight attendants were paid a basic flight pay and then a hourly pay for hours flown above the basic. The basic was 2000.00 dollars a month for the first 50 hours or 40.00 dollars an hour. They then received 60 dollars an hour for everything flown above that amount. Sometime around 2001 they went to a blended pay rate which became the 50 dollar an hour rate for all hours flown. I think they based it on the average hours flown per flight attendant being somewhere around 75.00. If you fly less then that the blended rate was a raise, if you flew more it was a pay cut.

sailingfun

01-09-2011 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 927152)

Scamb what the FA"s at the PMDAL tell me their top rate went from 60 an hr to 40 an hr.

Thats not really correct. The flight attendant pay rate prior to Chapter 11 was just under 50 dollars an hour. They took two 10 percent pay cuts and ended up just below 40 an hour. They are back to 46 an hour now.

The 60 dollar rate goes back to pre 2000. Flight attendants at that time were paid a base rate of 2000.00 for the first 50 hours or 40 an hour. They then got 60 an hour for hours flown above 50.00. That was adjusted in 2001 to a one hourly rate for all hours flown. It was set at around 50.00. The blended rate was designed to keep the average flight attendants overall rate exactly the same. If however you were a flight attendant flying high time you took a cut. A low time flying flight attendant saw a raise from the blended rate.

acl65pilot

01-09-2011 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 927179)

The flight attendants at Delta took two 10 percent paycuts. The first cut was 10 percent across the board. The second cut was targeted a bit and was not across the board depending on years of service. That took their hourly wage from around 49.70 to just below 40 dollars an hour. In addition they had their work rules slashed to the bone. The work rules were however restored in Jul of 09. There have been 3 pay increases since chapter 11 ended and they are now back to 46.00 dollars an hour.
In addition to the above their pay more for their medical plans and lost a week of vacation much like the pilots. Neither has been restored.
You will on occasion here a flight attendant claim she was making 60 dollars an hour. Thats a bit of a lie. What they are talking about is prior to 2001 the Delta flight attendants were paid a basic flight pay and then a hourly pay for hours flown above the basic. The basic was 2000.00 dollars a month for the first 50 hours or 40.00 dollars an hour. They then received 60 dollars an hour for everything flown above that amount. Sometime around 2001 they went to a blended pay rate which became the 50 dollar an hour rate for all hours flown. I think they based it on the average hours flown per flight attendant being somewhere around 75.00. If you fly less then that the blended rate was a raise, if you flew more it was a pay cut.

Now why could they not state that? :rolleyes:

JABDIP

01-09-2011 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 927149)

My hourly rate went down 33% not to mention other things we lost.:eek:

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