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DeadHead 01-19-2011 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 932609)
Why can't you stop at making this very important point...



...without getting stuck in this ridiculous and divisive crap?



Honestly, you're not going to convince the DAL group that your contract was better. Maybe it goes to the heart of the SLI discussion, and maybe some of the beliefs on either side qualify as "faith-based". Maybe it's because you voted overwhelmingly for the JCBA that we don't believe you, or maybe it's simply because all pilots want to believe they are better that we never will believe you. Regardless of the reasons we won't buy into this, the truth is we don't care what the QOL was a Northwest. And I don't see how anyone should care. That's because there is no benefit in looking backwards. All we have is the Delta contract, and we need to figure which parts need to be modified, and which parts need to be torn out, spit on, and burned to the ground. This is the only way in which it's interesting to talk about specific points in the fNWA contracts that could be useful, but then again, it's not any more interesting than the good points of the FedEx contract, or the Continental contract, or any contract, because we only need be focused on making the best Delta contract possible.

If the fNWA was that much better, good for you. I hope you enjoyed while you had it. Unfortunately, that's not the contract you live under. So why not talk about a better contract for all Delta pilots, including you of course, and leave it at that?

I think certain contracts work better for certain demographics of each pilot group. Perhaps the fNWA contract had provisions in there that worked well for someone of decent seniority, but moving over to the JCBA in conjunction to a less decent seniority over a larger pilot group magnifies the pitfalls in the contract.

Whether it's pay, work rules, or scope; I think it's important to create PWA in 2012 that works for EVERY pilot without leveraging one side of a group against the other side of the group.

pullforexit 01-19-2011 04:27 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 932560)
This morning on the earnings call they said 100 RJ's parked this year & 100 more next year. :)

Are you sure it was all RJs? I listened to the call and they said 100 small frames to include a large portion of RJs. I did not get the impression it would be exclusively RJs that are pulled off line.

acl65pilot 01-19-2011 04:28 AM

They did mention an accelerated retirement of the DC-9-50's as well. I did not hear a follow up on replacements for the 9. It will be 90's but at what rate? Who knows.

shiznit 01-19-2011 04:38 AM

I'm not sure that the MD-90 is the "replacement" for the DC-9. Call it too much minutiae, but the MD-90 and DC-9 have very different missions....

I submit that the A319/MD-88/CRJ-900 are the DC-9 replacement and that the MD-90 is replacing mid range A320/738 and long range MD-88 flying.

But I guess in the end its all the same thing.....

KC10 FATboy 01-19-2011 04:50 AM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 932626)
I'm not sure that the MD-90 is the "replacement" for the DC-9. Call it too much minutiae, but the MD-90 and DC-9 have very different missions....

I submit that the A319/MD-88/CRJ-900 are the DC-9 replacement and that the MD-90 is replacing mid range A320/738 and long range MD-88 flying.

But I guess in the end its all the same thing.....

I'm not arguing because I see your point. They're two different aircraft. But RA was quoted as saying the only way we can increase our through-put at our hubs was to upgauge aircraft.

acl65pilot 01-19-2011 04:51 AM

Shiz, Just using their verbiage not mine. The "theory" is that for the price paid they are making money at 100 seats.

NERD 01-19-2011 05:01 AM

So.... With the hit our stock took yesterday does anybody think it is a good buy?

Sink r8 01-19-2011 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 932620)
I think certain contracts work better for certain demographics of each pilot group. Perhaps the fNWA contract had provisions in there that worked well for someone of decent seniority, but moving over to the JCBA in conjunction to a less decent seniority over a larger pilot group magnifies the pitfalls in the contract.

That seems logical. For example, it sounds to me like going from the NW Reserve to this [deleted] Reserve System couldn't possibly be anything but an improvement. You don't even need to know anything about the NW Reserve System to assume it would be better than this, our current POS.


Whether it's pay, work rules, or scope; I think it's important to create PWA in 2012 that works for EVERY pilot without leveraging one side of a group against the other side of the group.
Exactly.

acl65pilot 01-19-2011 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 932632)
So.... With the hit our stock took yesterday does anybody think it is a good buy?


I know a few shorting it, but I still think it is a good buy.

vprMatrix 01-19-2011 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 932451)
The total block hours flown on average in 2001 were the same as the block hours flown in June of 2007 pre merger. You would expect that would yield the same number of pilots. Sadly it did not. We were flying the 07 schedule with 2500 fewer line pilots. Down from 10,000 to 7500. That was a direct result of a hundred or more work rule changes to increase productivity. Those jobs lost are equally spread across the fleet spectrum from 777 CA to MD88 FO.

:confused:
................2001 Full Year----2007 Full Year
Blk Hrs------2,187,408--------1,758,101
Departs-----907.878----------552,678
RSM --------97.7 mil----------103.5 mil
Miles Flown -803.2K-----------683.6K
Fleet--------625--------------435
Avg/Seets---176--------------187
Stage-------885 nm-----------1237 nm
LF-----------69%-------------81%

Looks to me like 20% fewer block hours flown by 25% fewer pilots with 30% fewer planes with a much higher load factor.

Source MIT.


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