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I hope by next winter, we have a new set of IT tools to make IROPs much easier to handle and recover from. Our business model is very complex, but I am certain a couple of computer geeks can solve these issues.
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Originally Posted by JABDIP
(Post 932552)
Agreed, we have given and given way too much!!!!!!!!!' I hope you are right on the RJ pull down.
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 932560)
This morning on the earnings call they said 100 RJ's parked this year & 100 more next year. :)
Q: What do you call 100 layers at the bottom of the ocean? A: A good start. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 932560)
This morning on the earnings call they said 100 RJ's parked this year & 100 more next year. :)
That got me thinking.... just how many RJs does Comair have left? |
Originally Posted by JABDIP
(Post 932525)
I haven't found any improvements to forget. Seriously, to put it in simple terms, I made less w-2 money in the last 2 years than my last year under fNWA contract averaging the same number of hours of pay per month. Also I am working 36-40 days a year more under DAL work rules for less money. This year I will finally make more than my last fNWA contract year. It goes back to those work rules that Sailing was talking about. I can go on with the things that I had before that I do not have now, but what good would that do. It is always perceived as whinning on here. Hands down with my experince with the DAL contract which is limited, today I would choose the fNWA contract over the current DAL contract. As bad as it was I still think it was much better in QOL issues. I prefer to have rose colored glasses rather than blinders.:rolleyes:
I am open to an education on real improvements. I'm sure there are some. |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 932550)
How many flight engineers did we have back then? When I was hired we had a ton of 727's, and some L-10's.
I agree with your point about work rules causing massive job losses - they did, but totally disagree with your implication that job losses due to work rules dwarfs job losses due to outsourcing. Both have been bad for us. I also disagree that we lost 777 jobs - since we now have more 777s and consequently more 777 pilots today. Yes, we would have more 777 Pilots with better work rules but it is not totally correct to say we lost 777 jobs. How many less 777 pilots would we have now if we outsourced wide-body flying like UAL is attempting to do? Job losses for any reason are bad for us as Pilots, but beyond our Pilot contract job losses through work rules are limited by FARs. The work rule caused job losses have been extensive - we agree here, but I feel they are basically behind us - I can only hope job losses due to outsourcing are also behind us. Scoop As Far as the 727 FE you are correct we still had them. All the bases had been closed except ATL and we had about 150 FE's in ATL. The last flight was Apr of 03. I don't believe we had any L1011's then but someone on the aircraft can add the date. I remember that most of the FE's on the 727's were ropes pushed off the L1011. I don't understand your point on the 777's. They replaced MD11's. Jobs lost are jobs lost. If we buy 200 new narrow bodies are you saying the work rule reset themselves and we have not lost any jobs? We have lost jobs to workrules and scope. Workrules are easy to quantify however scope is a bit more difficult to attach numbers to. The simply fact on work rules is the average Delta pilot flies 25 percent more block hours then in the past. Thats huge. Scope we have lost a lot of domestic flying. Some of those markets are a straight trade. The jobs moved one for one from the mainline to DCI. Other markets fall into a gray area. We might have stayed in the market or if we were not cost competitive we would have to abandon the market and lost both that route and the feed it generated to larger aircraft. Another post stated APA is the best example of great scope that we should strive for. How many pilots do they have on furlough? As I have stated many times scope is not cut and dried. There is a point where you lose jobs not gain them and the jobs lost are much higher paying then the jobs gained. I personally think the cutoff falls with the EMB170/175. They should be at the mainline. Others have different opinions. None of us really know unless we are allowed access to confidential data from the company. Only the MEC will see that data. Bucking will not be read into the program contrary to his wishes. In this we have to trust the reps. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 932563)
That got me thinking.... just how many RJs does Comair have left?
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Why can't you stop at making this very important point...
Originally Posted by JABDIP
(Post 932509)
Excellent post. Everyone seems to harp about the all mighty hourly pay rate, but work rules are huge especially when it come to quality of life, quality of rotations, and pilot productivity. Hopefully, C2012 will have a good revamp of work rules.;)
Originally Posted by JABDIP
(Post 932525)
I haven't found any improvements to forget. Seriously, to put it in simple terms, I made less w-2 money in the last 2 years than my last year under fNWA contract averaging the same number of hours of pay per month. Also I am working 36-40 days a year more under DAL work rules for less money. This year I will finally make more than my last fNWA contract year. It goes back to those work rules that Sailing was talking about. I can go on with the things that I had before that I do not have now, but what good would that do. It is always perceived as whinning on here. Hands down with my experince with the DAL contract which is limited, today I would choose the fNWA contract over the current DAL contract. As bad as it was I still think it was much better in QOL issues. I prefer to have rose colored glasses rather than blinders.:rolleyes:
If the fNWA was that much better, good for you. I hope you enjoyed while you had it. Unfortunately, that's not the contract you live under. So why not talk about a better contract for all Delta pilots, including you of course, and leave it at that? |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 932289)
Can someone post the procedures for downloading your schedule via I crew max to Google Calendar for import into a Droid phone.
I successfully accomplished this last month but have since totally forgotten how to do it. Thanks Scoop I'll assume you are using a PC (as opposed to your phone) to download as this makes it very simple. Go to your schedule on icrew (make sure you are using FireFox). At the bottom click on download schedule and save it to where you want it. It doesn't matter which format as Google will recognize both but I found ICal works best. Open your Google Calender, in the left tab click on add then select import. Find your calender you saved on your PC and click on import. That should do it. Hope this helps. |
Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 932535)
JABDIP:
I'm sorry your W2 has declined. I want every DAL pilot's W2 to go up ... way up. But I will not accept pilots being less productive, flying less, or paying people to stay home. Our company simply can not do that and expect to compete. I'd rather we stay lean and mean. Okay, We'll start by having you come in to mop the food court on your days off. |
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