No, only ER Captains' jobs are important. I keed, I keed.

I'm holding out for the 727 base in Berlin. I'll bid FE, guess I'll have to chit-chat with the German FAs while we are waiting to board. Too bad. :rolleyes:

Excellent post. Everyone seems to harp about the all mighty hourly pay rate, but work rules are huge especially when it come to quality of life, quality of rotations, and pilot productivity. Hopefully, C2012 will have a good revamp of work rules.;)

Timing is everything IA! We missed it by "thissssssssssssss much.":D

Not sure how long you have been around, but you are missing the point that the decline in work rules results in a decline in jobs and more important a decline in QOL. If you haven't experienced that(decrease in QOL) then it seems of little importance to you. If you never had it(QOL)then you don't know what you're missing.;)

At least they're adding LAX 73N CA/FO positions on this AE. :)

Funny that the Boeing site lists the MD-90-50 specs since I don't think that any were ever built. They did build two or three of the "ER" versions, though Delta doesn't have any. So, basically, there is no "mix" at Delta - all of our 90's, including the "new" ones, are the standard range models.

Like another poster said, the 90 can't really do east coast to SLC on a consistent basis. But that wasn't really why the plane was pulled from SLC. There is an -800 base in SLC that can cover any of east coast flying that needed to be done. The real problem was the upcoming 160 configuration was going to be too large for that market and there was no real need for two different 160 seat aircraft there. The smaller 319/320's were just a better fit to go along with the existing 800 and 767 categories. At least, that's how it was explained to me as I was packing my bags for MSP :eek:

Those are all the new hires but because of the holdbacks of the Compass and Mesaba ppl there are many ppl including myself that were hired 5 months ago that are just now training. The next list should show all the placements as the last class should be in indoc in ATL now. Probably already got answered but....:D

I haven't found any improvements to forget. Seriously, to put it in simple terms, I made less w-2 money in the last 2 years than my last year under fNWA contract averaging the same number of hours of pay per month. Also I am working 36-40 days a year more under DAL work rules for less money. This year I will finally make more than my last fNWA contract year. It goes back to those work rules that Sailing was talking about. I can go on with the things that I had before that I do not have now, but what good would that do. It is always perceived as whinning on here. Hands down with my experince with the DAL contract which is limited, today I would choose the fNWA contract over the current DAL contract. As bad as it was I still think it was much better in QOL issues. I prefer to have rose colored glasses rather than blinders.:rolleyes:

I am open to an education on real improvements. I'm sure there are some.

Not quite my point nor the standard context of his statement by the unionoid types.

The block hour argument, while factual, is a standard rebuttal by the union treehouse members to why scope is not _____ (fill in the blank with something minimizing the importance of scope).

If you ever want any semblence of that QOL back, we have to regain the rampant outsourcing... otherwise we just don't have the leverage and will never have it. It has to be a twofold process:

1. We have to proactively fight to recaputure scope at every availabe opportunity.

2. We have to continuely apply pressure to make the outsourced venues less cost effective options. Be that the quality of the operation, the ever increasing costs of the aging regionals, the coming FAA FTDT rules, and others...


Without recapture, I do not believe we will ever again see the mythical QOL of which you speak.