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georgetg 01-08-2011 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by JABDIP (Post 926841)
My question to you is how has the current scope language prevented DCI from flying hub to hub, ie. DTW- ATL-DTW?????;)

Actually our Section 1 is pretty specific about DCI flying when it comes to hub-to-hub. DCI is limited to 6% of all hub-to-hub flying and is specifically required to provide hub feed.

For comparison the Alaska flying is "providing feed" and is limited to flying no more than 25% of all hub-to-hub flights. Outside of hat AS can pretty much fly anywhere in the world with the 86-seat limitation on carrying the DL code.


Cheers
George

georgetg 01-08-2011 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 926666)
...I happen to believe "SCOPE!!" is the boogy man du jour for those who, for whatever reason, have an agenda. It's keeping us from unifying and focusing on the real agenda of contract restoration.

I don't think the discussion of "scope" keeps us from unifying.

I'm pretty sure its part of the restoration like a siamese twin.

If we get great rates but the flying leaves we can claim "victory" for restoration but all but the top 10% will feel the consequences...

Cheers
George

georgetg 01-08-2011 12:43 PM

added quote
 

Originally Posted by Jabberwock (Post 926831)
Of course a small jet feeds a larger jet in a hub, but there is no distinction between a DC9, an E175, or a 737. We woudl lose flow if we parked the 747's too. All these jets are integral parts of our network. The distinctions are meaningless and only butter our egos into believing we are only outsourcing flying we do not want to perform.

That's it. Seniority lets us sort out the "undesirable" flying by AE and monthly bid....

The sad thing is we have LEC reps that put stuff like "this flying is beneath us" in writing...

Cheers
George

georgetg 01-08-2011 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 926642)
I think it is naive and foolish to believe the scope line is set in stone.

It isn't set in stone, and that's the problem.

Right now our MEC mission statement doesn't include any language directing it to recapture or extend the amount of Delta flying that is performed by Delta pilots.

I for one would sleep better if our association's mission statement included scope language. Maybe it's time to add that.

Cheers
George

dragon 01-08-2011 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by orvil (Post 926856)
Thanks for the answer, but it doesn't work. When I look at Leisure Travel the drop down it only gives me Flight Availability & Listings, Employee Award Travel or Interline Travel. I haven't paid up my annual fee yet, could that keep the tab from appearing?

Thanks for the tip, I wouldn't be surprised if it costs less just buying one.

Don't think you can even list yourself without paying the fee. I get four choices under the leisure travel drop down.

KC10 FATboy 01-08-2011 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by orvil (Post 926840)
Can someone explain to me how to get to the Fly Confirmed For Less page at Travelnet? I can't find it.

Yes, just go to Delta.com or Orbitz, Travelocity etc. because the FFL tickets usually can't match.

Jack Bauer 01-08-2011 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 926884)
It isn't set in stone, and that's the problem.

Right now our MEC mission statement doesn't include any language directing it to recapture or extend the amount of Delta flying that is performed by Delta pilots.

I for one would sleep better if our association's mission statement included scope language. Maybe it's time to add that.

Cheers
George

Regardless of all the spin you get here from the ALPA loyalists about why scope isn't being actively mentioned (ie it's implied, it goes without saying because everybody already has an understanding, the new guy ran out of ink before he could write that 15 character line, etc, etc) the unfortunate truth is its not in there purposely. The union "leadership" are, as they say, "keeping their options open".

Most of the guys with less than ten years left will be looking out for number one....that is to say their own pay and retirement dollars. This will likely mimic the age 65 process (majority voted against it but the top dogs in ALPA pushed for it and justified it after the fact). They operate on the principal it is better to try to get forgiveness after the fact than it is to gain permission.

Jack Bauer 01-08-2011 02:24 PM

To those of you here who have inside ties to ALPA leadership...

If you disagree with the above statements, you can do one thing to put this argument to rest... Get DALPA leadership (and ALPA national for that matter) to put out a statement clearly laying out their stance on scope. Something like this:

1. NOT ONE MORE SEAT OR FLYING JOB WILL BE PASSED FROM MAINLINE TO REGIONAL OR ANY OTHER AFFILIATE INCLUDING CODE SHARES.

2. PARALLEL TO OUR MISSION TO RESTORE PAY WE WILL BRING THE FLYING FROM REGIONALS AND CODESHARES BACK TO INDIVIDUAL MAINLINE AIRLINES.

JABDIP 01-08-2011 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 926873)
Actually our Section 1 is pretty specific about DCI flying when it comes to hub-to-hub. DCI is limited to 6% of all hub-to-hub flying and is specifically required to provide hub feed.

For comparison the Alaska flying is "providing feed" and is limited to flying no more than 25% of all hub-to-hub flights. Outside of hat AS can pretty much fly anywhere in the world with the 86-seat limitation on carrying the DL code.


Cheers
George

Exactly who keeps up with that little tid bit of information on a hub to hub DCI flight????? That is a joke.:eek:

slowplay 01-08-2011 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by JABDIP (Post 926922)
Exactly who keeps up with that little tid bit of information on a hub to hub DCI flight????? That is a joke.:eek:

The Code Share committee. It is briefed at every regular MEC meeting, and the company data is crosschecked against OAG schedules.


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