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INAV8OR 12-27-2010 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 921735)
XX days ARE regular days off.

** are Golden days, or as we called them at NWA....Inviolate days.


If you are on reserve, & you are awarded a GS trip on any OFF day you receive straight pay, no credit AND payback days. Your GS trip was awarded on ** days or Golden days. This doesn't change your GS award in any way. Since the last day off is Dec 31st you have no where left in December to be paid back days off. That is why there is a note stating 3 PB IN BANK REF 0948 GS. Scheduling is telling you they owe you 3 payback days because you are doing Rotation 0948 on days off. They will go in your bank & you can add them to vacation or use them in future months.

In short, you will receive whatever credit the trip is worth to a RESERVE(it could be less since reserves don't always get 5:15) in addition to your 70 hours. So if the trip is worth 10:30 to you, & it's your only GS trip for Dec & you credited 70 hours or less you would be paid 80:30 for December.

Clear as mud? :D

That was the best explaination I have had thanks. Two other questions, can I use my PB days any time, within reason, of course? And Do I do that in ICREW? Thanks

iaflyer 12-27-2010 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by INAV8OR (Post 921748)
That was the best explaination I have had thanks. Two other questions, can I use my PB days any time, within reason, of course? And Do I do that in ICREW? Thanks

You request to use the PB days in iCrew.

Using your PB days "any time, within reason" encompasses a lot. Essentially, using PB days is looked at the same as using a Personal Drop, so there has to be good reserve coverage. They can also be turned into vacation days for this vacation year (2009/2010) or next (2010/2011).

ronnie75 12-27-2010 05:43 PM

All right, who has cracked the code with the end of rotation off rotation positive space deadhead? Twice I have booked it on icrew, got the confirmation and listing, then was unable to check in at kiosk. Then to the gate for help--agent sees the listing, but says it is not filled or whatever, and tells me to call scheduling. ??? One time they just non-revved me, today I almost missed the flight until my boarding pass magically showed up. I know to "activate" for normal on rotation deadheads, but I am lost here.

iaflyer 12-27-2010 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by ronnie75 (Post 921785)
All right, who has cracked the code with the end of rotation off rotation positive space deadhead? Twice I have booked it on icrew, got the confirmation and listing, then was unable to check in at kiosk. Then to the gate for help--agent sees the listing, but says it is not filled or whatever, and tells me to call scheduling. ??? One time they just non-revved me, today I almost missed the flight until my boarding pass magically showed up. I know to "activate" for normal on rotation deadheads, but I am lost here.

I think that if you deviate at the end of a rotation, the new listing is a Company Business listing, not a Crew Travel listing - but I'm not positive. So that might be what the kiosk problem was. I know there was trouble with the deadhead stuff a few months ago, but it sounded like it was fixed. I'd say call the CPSC if it happens again, they can do a lot there while you're on the phone.

Reroute 12-27-2010 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by ronnie75 (Post 921785)
All right, who has cracked the code with the end of rotation off rotation positive space deadhead? Twice I have booked it on icrew, got the confirmation and listing, then was unable to check in at kiosk. Then to the gate for help--agent sees the listing, but says it is not filled or whatever, and tells me to call scheduling. ??? One time they just non-revved me, today I almost missed the flight until my boarding pass magically showed up. I know to "activate" for normal on rotation deadheads, but I am lost here.

Not sure if you've been doing this or not, but when you check in at the kiosk your reservation is found under company business, not crew travel.

I copied the following from Deltanet. You can get the entire instructions by searching "deadhead travel"

From FOM 4.1.1 - Deviations from Scheduled Deadhead
�� No permission is required for a regular or reserve pilot to deviate from deadhead at the end of a rotation, but Crew Scheduling must be notified as soon as possible after the arrival of the last non-deadhead leg.
�� Booking the reservation may be attempted any time after report at the beginning of the rotation.
Facts about on-line end of rotation deviation from deadhead booking:
Note: You must be signed in for your rotation to start the deviation process
�� Once you have completed booking your deviation from deadhead, you must cancel your original DH after arrival of the pilot’s last flying segment prior to your originally scheduled DH via VRU 800-325-2739 option #2, option #2, then option #3
�� When checking in at an airport kiosk after booking a deviation from deadhead, reservations will be found under “Company Business” not under “Crew Travel”
�� You may not book offline (non-Delta mainline) DH deviations. Even if your original DH reservation contained an offline DH, you must book your deviation flights on Delta mainline flights or call Crew Scheduling to coordinate DH deviation (see special notes on last page)

n9810f 12-27-2010 06:45 PM

Apparently our web site is taking a major dump. All sorts of complaints on Twitter and the frequent flier message board. Some saying they haven't been able to check flights, check-in, etc...since Sunday!

forgot to bid 12-27-2010 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 921721)
? ? ? I'm confused ? ? ?

There's no such thing as a reserve green slip that doesn't touch an X day.

I know INAV8OR's question was about something else but this does bring up a question I've wanted to make sure I had right...

You get GS pay for your first duty period while on LC where you GS'd into a trip that began within 12 hours. If you got a 2 day then day 2 is just a normal every day reserve, not to unlike when you put in a GS and get a 4 day that stretches from XX days to on-call days, the on-call days are normal the XX days are GS pay with PB... right?

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“Green slip (GS)” means a request by a pilot to be assigned same-day/next-day open time that may generate premium pay:
a. on his regular line days-off,
b. on his reserve line X-day(s),
c. on reserve line on-call days, while on long-call, with less than 12 hours notice, or
d. on his remaining reserve line on-call days in the current bid period after he has accumulated credit equivalent to the ALV in such bid period.

23.U.1.b. A reserve pilot who has flown a GS rotation(s) will receive:
1) single pay and credit for the portion of such rotation(s) flown on his reserve oncall days that occurred before the pilot’s accumulated credit exceeded the ALV (applied against his reserve guarantee), and
2) single pay, no credit (in addition to any other form of pay and credit for the bid period) for the portion of such rotation(s) that:
a) interrupted his X-day(s), or
b) occurred after his accumulated credit equaled the ALV,
Note one: A reserve pilot who flies a GS rotation into an X-day(s) is entitled to additional time free of duty under Section 23 S. 11.
Note two: A reserve pilot awarded a GS rotation in which all duty periods of the rotation are scheduled to operate on on-call days may request that one X-day that coincides with a day on which the pilot does not have a duty period within the GS rotation be moved to the first day of the GS rotation.
c. A long call reserve pilot who is awarded a GS rotation with a report that is within 12 hours of the first attempted contact will receive single pay, no credit for the first duty period of the rotation (in addition to any other pay and credit for the bid period).

forgot to bid 12-27-2010 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by n9810f (Post 921796)
Apparently our web site is taking a major dump. All sorts of complaints on Twitter and the frequent flier message board. Some saying they haven't been able to check flights, check-in, etc...since Sunday!

FWIW, got a call tonight from family in BOS trying to get to SRQ for a death in their family yesterday. Website, regular phone line and the skymiles line were busy or crashing. Turns out the skymiles phone line worked from ATL so that inspired them to call family in SRQ and they too got through and changed their itinerary.

That's just an observation and I'm not saying that's a good end around, just that it seems as if it actually matters where you call from. I guess the system's ability to help those in need is not handling the demand for help.

Check Essential 12-27-2010 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by INAV8OR (Post 921730)
I put in for a GS they gave me a two day. The days off were just regular days off.

27M RES ** .0948 G 2040 27M
28T RES ** ---- G 1757 28T
29W RES ** 29W
30T RES ** 30T
31F RES XX 31F
DTE OR DES OFF STAT ROT1 D R1 STAT ROT2 D R2 RPT1 RPT2 E/L R CALL BLKN DTE
REMARKS: 3 PB IN BANK REF 0948 GS

Ah... I see what happened.

It was just a semantic misunderstanding.
Asterisks are the computer's way of designating "golden" X-days. They are still X days.
Contract section 12.N.3 and 12.N.4

johnso's explanation was right on the money.

Check Essential 12-27-2010 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 921797)
I know INAV8OR's question was about something else but this does bring up a question I've wanted to make sure I had right...

I think you've got it right.
My statement that there's no reserve GS that doesn't touch an X day is incorrect.


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