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RockyBoy 01-03-2011 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by INAV8OR (Post 924231)
It was at the end of the month and they are banked, now what?


You can use them to add days onto vacation periods for the current year or when bidding vacation for next year you can add them onto the front or back of vacation for next year.

You can also drop them onto reserve days in future months if the coverage is good. Kinda like using a personal drop except you get the pay for the day you drop the PB day on.

The one thing I'm not sure of is adding them onto vacation for next year while bidding. If you bid for a week in the summer and request to add a day or two onto that week of vacation I think that the following week also has to be available or it will not award you the vacation. Anyone have any info on that issue?

Most guys use them for vacation.

slowplay 01-03-2011 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 924170)
It is a means by which a lineholder adds time to his schedule, usually over the cap, through a loophole that circumvents the intent of the contract and harms fellow pilots . 'nuff said.

Fixed it for you.

Denny Crane 01-03-2011 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by INAV8OR (Post 924231)
It was at the end of the month and they are banked, now what?

If they were banked last year then I would take a look at the vacation bidding menu for the next vacation year and see if they have been added as supplemental days for you to bid with next years vacation. I think the company does this at the end of each year. If this has been done, you will get a value of 3 hours for each day.

Denny

Xray678 01-03-2011 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 924202)
How does trip parking hurt the company?? The trips get covered and in most cases guys are doing it to bypass the max pickup so more trips are actually getting covered. I can see ALPA having an issue with it, but not the company.


Trip parking doesn't hurt the company, it hurts other pilots and violates seniority. Frankly I think the whole idea of being able to give one of your trips to a buddy violates seniority. We should get rid of this in the next contract. If you want to get rid of a trip you should have to try the QPD route and give the pilots a shot at it in seniority order. If your buddy is senior enough, then he/she can have it.

RockyBoy 01-03-2011 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 924262)
Trip parking doesn't hurt the company, it hurts other pilots and violates seniority. Frankly I think the whole idea of being able to give one of your trips to a buddy violates seniority. We should get rid of this in the next contract. If you want to get rid of a trip you should have to try the QPD route and give the pilots a shot at it in seniority order. If your buddy is senior enough, then he/she can have it.

Guys parking trips are not giving them to their buddies they are using their buddies schedule to park it then they pick up a trip from the pot. If a guy senior to him wants the trip in the pot, then they get it via the PCS process. If nobody senior to that guy wants it, he gets it then "unparks" the trip back on his schedule. I've not heard of anyone getting a senior guy to give him trips that they otherwise could not have held. Not saying it hasn't happned, but I haven't heard of it happening.

Wilbur Wright 01-03-2011 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 924262)
Trip parking doesn't hurt the company, it hurts other pilots and violates seniority. Frankly I think the whole idea of being able to give one of your trips to a buddy violates seniority. We should get rid of this in the next contract. If you want to get rid of a trip you should have to try the QPD route and give the pilots a shot at it in seniority order. If your buddy is senior enough, then he/she can have it.

I don't see how trip parking violates seniority. The pilot "parking" the trip is only temporarily taking the trip off his line so he can white slip another trip he would otherwise be unable to pick up, then get his original trip back from his friend. If a pilot senior to him had also wanted the open time trip he could have white slipped it at any time.

As in any contract, pilot's learn to legally "work the system." While I'm all for fixing this loophole, I'd like to see a better way to pick up flying time. In my category I can have a 65 hour line, but because of the high time trips be ineligible to white slip any trips.

n9810f 01-03-2011 12:56 PM

Looks like the final (5) DC-9-40's flew out of the system and to Sanford today. I believe that's it for the NW colored jets.

slowplay 01-03-2011 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 924266)
Guys parking trips are not giving them to their buddies they are using their buddies schedule to park it then they pick up a trip from the pot. If a guy senior to him wants the trip in the pot, then they get it via the PCS process. If nobody senior to that guy wants it, he gets it then "unparks" the trip back on his schedule. I've not heard of anyone getting a senior guy to give him trips that they otherwise could not have held. Not saying it hasn't happned, but I haven't heard of it happening.

And "but for" parking his trip, the pilot would have been unable to pick up the trip from the pot. That means he is circumventing the intent of the monthly max while taking trips that contractually would allow folks junior to him to improve their schedule, pay, or trip quality. They are the ones harmed.

There are other means to circumvent monthly maximums (swap board), but they're transparent and available to all. Parking limits the load to a few and provides those individuals with super premium seniority rights. :D

Amish Pilot 01-03-2011 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by n9810f (Post 924281)
Looks like the final (5) DC-9-40's flew out of the system and to Sanford today. I believe that's it for the NW colored jets.

I think one (DC-9-40) is still in MSP, I was scheduled to do the ferry flight this morning, but it was canceled because the airplane wasn't ready. Maybe tomorrow, but you are correct they are getting parked.

johnso29 01-03-2011 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by n9810f (Post 924281)
Looks like the final (5) DC-9-40's flew out of the system and to Sanford today. I believe that's it for the NW colored jets.

Farewell DC-9-40's. You will be missed. :( :(


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