Cue Alfa or PG to step in and say "What are you willing to give up for it?"...

Funny, I don't seem to remember giving up anything for the new commuter language...hmmm, might be something to that.

Nu

I'm not really sure you can serve FC before Coach boards. There is not a lot of time in between the two, not to mention it often takes quite a while for many FC pax to get situated. Jackets off, laptops/kindles/iPads out, etc. With the pressure the gate agents are under to get the flight out they get the lax down fast.

That being said, I too do not think the FAs should leave pax out on the jetway just to serve FC pax. If it's a hub, they will likely have time to serve them and clean up before takeoff. I just think many like to sit as quick as they can, rather then serve the customers like they are paid to do.

So management, you want D-0 to improve? What are you willing to give up for it? :D

Or playing the Winklevoss Twins, Sailing and Slow.

Wouldn't be funny if they were getting FPL to do it, too?

Nu

I'm sure we could get that scope clause tomorrow and have RA buy us crewpass.

"All flying covered by this Agreement shall be performed by pilots whose names appear on the Southwest Airlines Master Pilot Seniority List, except as otherwise provided for in this Agreement.

And of course, as otherwise provided in this agreement would be 250+ large dual class RJ's, hundreds of other outsourced airframes, tons of intl JV outsourcing, the continued direct funding of a wage and benefit trashing "air group" that directly competes with the company and provides negative yield pressure at all times, etc.

I know, I know, the devil is in the details, and I'm sure their details are superior to ours and that was probably the point. In any case, significant scope improvements are mandatory or our NC will not only lack credibility but our new C12K will be built on an eroding foundation from the beginning.

I was part of the flight test protocols during a certain aircraft manufacturer's testing of the iPad.

Carl

they are too busy defending dalpa on the dalpa forum...but you are right, manage expectations 101...wash, rinse, dry, repeat!

Are we (DALPA) really this stupid? SCOPE is in our contract to protect Delta Pilot Jobs - not airline certificate holders. Why would we agree to allow a combined Pilot list operating aircraft that clearly violate our Scope agreement not to be a Scope violation just because they are operating under different certificates?

Is this something that was unforessen? Scope is about Pilot jobs for us and the certificate should not be the trump card.

Are the companies lawyers that much smarter (and devious) then ours?

I realize the jury is still out on this, but I hear a lot about how irreplaceable ALPA is, how smart their lawyers are, their years of bargaining experience etc - and then we apparently agree to a Scope agreement with hole in it so big that you can literally fly an Airbus through it- fricking amazing!! :mad:

Scoop

Scoop,

I posted the "why." Our representatives proposed, negotiated, and wrote our Section 1. We ratified it.

The question is, "What is the core business of our union? The representation of pilots, or the selling of pilots?"

The DPA has published nothing that indicates it understands unity any better than ALPA.

The hope for our association is people like ACL who run for office and who are willing to engage the status quo. That is going to come from within ALPA and eventually he and folks like him (some of whom already hold office) will lead us back to the strong foundation of our union.