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forgot to bid 01-08-2011 02:42 PM

Just as a friendly reminder neither Southwest or the old AirTran have regional jets whether it is a 50 seater, 70 or 76... so my thought, SDF-ATL and LEX-ATL becomes SDF-LEX-ATL in an MD88... kill the RJ industry without having to negotiate a thing.


no idea what the math comes out to be

JABDIP 01-08-2011 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 926925)
The Code Share committee. It is briefed at every regular MEC meeting, and the company data is crosschecked against OAG schedules.

Thanks for the info, and I sure hope that all those on DCI Hub flts are feed.

buzzpat 01-08-2011 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 926920)
To those of you here who have inside ties to ALPA leadership...

If you disagree with the above statements, you can do one thing to put this argument to rest... Get DALPA leadership (and ALPA national for that matter) to put out a statement clearly laying out their stance on scope. Something like this:

1. NOT ONE MORE SEAT OR FLYING JOB WILL BE PASSED FROM MAINLINE TO REGIONAL OR ANY OTHER AFFILIATE INCLUDING CODE SHARES.

2. PARALLEL TO OUR MISSION TO RESTORE PAY WE WILL BRING THE FLYING FROM REGIONALS AND CODESHARES BACK TO INDIVIDUAL MAINLINE AIRLINES.

Word. +1. I'm in.

DAL 88 Driver 01-08-2011 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 926920)
2. PARALLEL TO OUR MISSION TO RESTORE PAY WE WILL BRING THE FLYING FROM REGIONALS AND CODESHARES BACK TO INDIVIDUAL MAINLINE AIRLINES.

ALPA has a mission to restore pay? While I hope that is true, I can't find much evidence of it anywhere. And it's conspicuously missing from ALPA's mission statement.

sailingfun 01-08-2011 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 926920)
To those of you here who have inside ties to ALPA leadership...

If you disagree with the above statements, you can do one thing to put this argument to rest... Get DALPA leadership (and ALPA national for that matter) to put out a statement clearly laying out their stance on scope. Something like this:

1. NOT ONE MORE SEAT OR FLYING JOB WILL BE PASSED FROM MAINLINE TO REGIONAL OR ANY OTHER AFFILIATE INCLUDING CODE SHARES.

2. PARALLEL TO OUR MISSION TO RESTORE PAY WE WILL BRING THE FLYING FROM REGIONALS AND CODESHARES BACK TO INDIVIDUAL MAINLINE AIRLINES.


So the company comes to DALPA and says. "We would like to convert 20 of our 70 seaters allowed to 76 seaters. If you agree we have a tentative order for 100 C series jets. The switch from 70 seaters will occur in a 1 for 5 ratio. For each 5 C series jets on the property and flying we get to convert 1 70 seater to a 76 seater. The overall fleet number which is currently at XXX cannot go below the current number plus the C series slots or we lose the extra 76 seaters. If C series jets are removed from the fleet we remove the 76 seats in a inverse proportion. Deliveries of the C series will start in 6 months and we will post a bid next week.
Would you say no???

scambo1 01-08-2011 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 926925)
The Code Share committee. It is briefed at every regular MEC meeting, and the company data is crosschecked against OAG schedules.

So CVG to DTW being nothing but 50 seaters and
ORD to DTW being RJs only
is cool?

And, theoretically, mainline should be flying 16 times more seats hub to hub than DCI.

tsquare 01-08-2011 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 926947)
So the company comes to DALPA and says. "We would like to convert 20 of our 70 seaters allowed to 76 seaters. If you agree we have a tentative order for 100 C series jets. The switch from 70 seaters will occur in a 1 for 5 ratio. For each 5 C series jets on the property and flying we get to convert 1 70 seater to a 76 seater. The overall fleet number which is currently at XXX cannot go below the current number plus the C series slots or we lose the extra 76 seaters. If C series jets are removed from the fleet we remove the 76 seats in a inverse proportion. Deliveries of the C series will start in 6 months and we will post a bid next week.
Would you say no???

When Delta pilots are flying Delta airplanes.. in other words.. when delivery has been taken, and they are flying revenue flights... then we can talk. Until then.. no... I mean.. yes.. I would say no. Because tentative means bupkis.

JABDIP 01-08-2011 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 926948)
So CVG to DTW being nothing but 50 seaters and
ORD to DTW being RJs only
is cool?

And, theoretically, mainline should be flying 16 times more seats hub to hub than DCI.

Hey but that is all feed and at some meeting somewhere they check it out and give the head nod to it. I say bull Sh***t!!!!:rolleyes:

Ferd149 01-08-2011 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 926947)
So the company comes to DALPA and says. "We would like to convert 20 of our 70 seaters allowed to 76 seaters. If you agree we have a tentative order for 100 C series jets. The switch from 70 seaters will occur in a 1 for 5 ratio. For each 5 C series jets on the property and flying we get to convert 1 70 seater to a 76 seater. The overall fleet number which is currently at XXX cannot go below the current number plus the C series slots or we lose the extra 76 seaters. If C series jets are removed from the fleet we remove the 76 seats in a inverse proportion. Deliveries of the C series will start in 6 months and we will post a bid next week.
Would you say no???

I would say no............

Hawaii50 01-08-2011 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 926876)
I don't think the discussion of "scope" keeps us from unifying.

I'm pretty sure its part of the restoration like a siamese twin.

If we get great rates but the flying leaves we can claim "victory" for restoration but all but the top 10% will feel the consequences...

Cheers
George

But why do we think more flying will leave? Or that it's a negotiable item? I don't see any remote acceptance of that with the guys I fly with. If the senior guys wanted to sell us out and there's more of them, they could do it. I don't think any scope statement by the union would stop that. I just don't think it's negotiable for any of us after the concessions we gave when the BK gun was pointed at our heads.

I believe the group is all about recovering what was lost....plus. The company must love that any of us are even discussing the possibility of scope concession or the fear of it.


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