Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 922052)

I'm a bit shocked by all this enthusiasm for increasing pilot productivity.

We could avoid a lot of unnecessary hiring if we scrapped all those silly trip rigs and duty rigs in our book.

We could get by with a lot fewer reserves if we knocked off a couple X days. 13 is way too many. And shortcall limits? What's up with that? Why only 6 short-calls? Make it 8 or 10.

And how about some good old "lean-overs" like the RJ drivers do? Sleep on the jet. Think of all the new-hires we could eliminate.

The list goes on and on.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 921893)

flamebait... Mods?????????????????????????

Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 921994)

That's all well and good but there is a cost to pay for "pulling up the ladder"

Lets say you'll retire as #1000

With no new hires and attrition let's say there are only 2000 pilots on property.
You're at the 50% point for seniority.
That means you'll retire as a senior FO or a junior CA on junior equipment and the lower pay that comes with that.

Let's just say for the sake of argument that we keep the pilot numbers steady at 12000.
Then you'd retire at about 83%.
You'd hold a decent schedule on a wide-body with good pay.

It's kind of funny. In the "worst recession in decades" Delta was losing millions, but managed to carry every single pilot on the list. Why wouldn't it be possible to earn more and hire at the same time? Especially when the airlines as a group are posting record profits not seen in a decade?

I just don't think hiring and much better pay are mutually exclusive.
Actually not-hiring will mean less pay, except for those very few that retire in the double digits.

Let's not already put our head in the sand before we start negotiating.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year and all that.

Cheers
George

Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 922071)

Actually, if you retire as 1,000 out of 12,000 you would be at 8.3% not 83%

Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 922074)

LOL

I'm just picturing a bunch of cable-tv execs sitting around a table pondering a rate hike. They all are in agreement except for one guy that raises the issue:

"There's only so and so much pie the consumer has, we can't raise the rates."

And so it goes that the cable-tv bill hasn't seen an increase since 1990 ;-)
Hey as far as the folks who send me bills are concerned there is bottomless pie!

Cheers
George

Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 922077)

Ah yes, you are correct.
Of course that completely disproves my argument then doesn't it?

Cheers
George

P.S.: I'm sure 1234 won't answer the question about the validity of the argument now...

Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 922030)

That is not true. I had a bid in for it, and did not get it. I am not subject to a freeze. What you saw was previous north guys that had been awarded a pre-merger south base and/or aircraft on previous AE's being awarded the whale.

Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 922077)

Ah yes, you are correct.
Of course that completely disproves my argument then doesn't it?

Cheers
George

P.S.: I'm sure 1234 won't answer the question about the validity of the argument now...

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 922087)

I too have a bid in for the whale & have not been awarded it.