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forgot to bid 12-28-2010 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 922143)
That's a pretty big conclusion to draw, when we have a couple of guys out of 7,000 pining to fly the whale.

The whale pines for Newk.

acl65pilot 12-28-2010 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 922142)
I was just assuming the reserve numbers, MSP 320 in January for instance, would remain a hard 30. The % would be higher then the current 10% but if guys fly harder guys get sick more often or one guy out affects more flying.

Just assuming. Remember, you know what they say about assuming, it makes an ass out of Clamp.


That is the point. If you are going to change one, you need to change a few other things in the PWA. The GS system keeps the reserves required formula intact because as a rule of thumb, reserves are generally used before GS's.

Yes there needs to be tweaking on how we arrive to the reserves required figure, but that has more to do with reserves from one base covering an IROP in another base and getting dinged. It is great for the reserves required and staffing numbers but hurts the ability of line holders to swap and drop. As always it is a give and take.

Using your logic, you would aim for a percentage using historic sick time usage et al, in a given month based upon a set of say 1000 block hrs. That does make sense on some level.

JABDIP 12-28-2010 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 922143)
That's a pretty big conclusion to draw, when we have a couple of guys out of 7,000 pining to fly the whale.

I don't see the fences being that big a deal. They only prevent those pilots on those particular aircraft from switching from one to the other. Each plane was the most senior at each airline before the merger. You would have the few guys that would switch for one reason or another, ie. to fly the plane or to live in base and not commute. Have been reading these post and boards ever since the merger started and it is fairly obvious where the fences coming down discussion comes from and that's ok. It is an item that will come up until the fences go away. But in the future, take note of the person bringing it up, I could really give a hoot but it is interesting to watch.;)

newKnow 12-28-2010 08:12 PM

Gentlemen,

What's the most reliable way to figure out what the REAL loads are for a flight? I just convinced myself wait and to take a flight in the morning instead of the last flight out tonight, only to check back and find out that it went out with close to 40 open seats. It showed that it was full ALL DAY. :eek:

johnso29 12-28-2010 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 922180)
Gentlemen,

What's the most reliable way to figure out what the REAL loads are for a flight? I just convinced myself wait and to take a flight in the morning instead of the last flight out tonight, only to check back and find out that it went out with close to 40 open seats. It showed that it was full ALL DAY. :eek:

New,

I always check the airport standby list. It shows a better picture of what's going on IMO.

Columbia 12-28-2010 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 922182)
New,

I always check the airport standby list. It shows a better picture of what's going on IMO.

But doesn't that only only show people checked in?

georgetg 12-28-2010 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 922091)
I love your avatar. I've flown that plane before the cool mod.

...'gotta love old 194 keeping it real in Africa "armed" with flare dispensers against shoulder launched SAMs...


Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 922091)
Don't you miss our young hot flight attendants we used to work with??

You mean the ones that get on the hotel van, rummage through their purse and loudly muse "Ohmygawd I forgot my birth control pills, now I can't have sex with random strangers..."

Cheers
George

gloopy 12-28-2010 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 922052)
I'm a bit shocked by all this enthusiasm for increasing pilot productivity.

We could avoid a lot of unnecessary hiring if we scrapped all those silly trip rigs and duty rigs in our book.

We could get by with a lot fewer reserves if we knocked off a couple X days. 13 is way too many. And shortcall limits? What's up with that? Why only 6 short-calls? Make it 8 or 10.

And how about some good old "lean-overs" like the RJ drivers do? Sleep on the jet. Think of all the new-hires we could eliminate.

The list goes on and on.

Hardly. SW and JB get 12/13 days min I believe. And SWA has some pretty high hours per day from what I've seen of their schedules. I have no problem with punitive rigs for unproductive trips. Its the job of the company to make trips productive or pay the rig as a penalty. While lawyer-ball rig money is great, if they make productive trips its a non issue and that's the point of rigs.

Our vacation is horrible and our "lose it or lose it" sick time is mutually dysfunctional. The company eats unplanned absenses just because of how its designed, and pilots who are not sick and who don't abuse the system pay dearly by losing out on what should be an earned benefit. Limiting short calls does nothing for the reserve pilot who gets short call on their line at the beginning of up to 6 reserve periods. Its an "on paper" benefit only. Wouldn't it be better to increase the number of short calls allowed, if there was a stipulation that the first reserve period of a 4 or greater block had to be long call? [I'm just thinking rhetorically here and not making a specific proposal]

There is plenty of room for improvement that increases productivity for the company and QOL for the pilot group. The goal is total compensation and QOL, not simply forcing them to hire more pilots to cover the same amount of flying for its own sake.

gloopy 12-28-2010 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 922120)
So you think it is my fault the company schedules me for 4 hour productivity sits in ATL and does 1+15 turns because the charge for bags and ACS ain't that great?

No, and I have no problem with significantly improved rigs. The purpose of a rig is not to gt free money for nothing. It is to equalize pay for bad schedules the company choses to make. If they make productive schedules, they pay no rig money. If they make junk schedules, they pay and there's nothing wrong with that.

georgetg 12-28-2010 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 922081)
I never agreed or disagreed with you or your position so I am not quite sure where the P.S portion of your statement comes from.

Dude, its just a snarky comment reflecting how a typical interactions with many of our reps goes down, nothing personal...



Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 922081)
...I am not for adding more pilots just for the sake of adding pilots. If we are expanding the flight hours, then yes, I want more pilots. I don't want to hire a bunch of pilots just so that there are more underneath me and instead of being a junior FO on my equipment I can be a more senior FO on the same equipment flying the same or less hours for the same or less pay.

Completely Agree.
Company said appx. 3% growth YOY, that's about 360 pilots more.
I wonder what the YOY growth of Delta codeshare ASMs at AS is... ;-)


Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 922081)
Gotta run...family calls...sorry if my family life doesn't meet with your approval on responding to the messages here.

And for the lack of family life, that's really due to our AS scope clause and has little to do with posting on APC...

Look man, there's just too many guys willing to "pull the ladder up" among our current reps, that's all I'm getting at...

Cheers
George


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