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Thru Aug we have had 164 retirements for the year which included a couple of high prip months Jan and May. There were 126 pilots that turned 60 and stayed around for the year. Alllowing for the high prip months it seems that the trend is more pilots are staying rather than do the sensible thing and retire at age 60. Anyone know the total of over 60 guys out there? I have heard it is as high as 900.:(
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 857394)
That answers the question. You get whatever today's credit is above your 70 hr guarantee.
Just make sure you can look back and find 8 hours rest from the END of the duty period. LC reserve is NOT rest (not duty, but not rest - domestic) so you will not be legal for many assignments. That's a big reason why LC allows for 12 hours to report. That 12 hours is designed to cover all rest issues (including compensatory) so you can be legal for any assignment. If you choose to use it to commute then so be it, until the rest rules are ammended. Just be careful and keep an eye on your duty/rest limits. I've caught a few things that were somehow missed by the computer. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 857391)
DAL88, many of the DCI contracts run for another two to ten years. In effect, we are stuck with them unless they go in to breach of contract.
With that in mind, it would be unwise for a CEO to belittle any part of an operation that will be a significant player for that time period. Those articles are a sales job to the public. I do agree that the DCI mess is just that. Too many different procedures and airlines trying to mimic the mainline. It leads to a lot of work and a lot of different products. DAL has done there very best to blur the line between DCI and mainline. To many consumers it is the same thing, and they have achieved their goal, but to others it will never come close. Keep in mind that pilots are aware of all of this stuff, Joe consumer is generally ignorant about it. I use my sister as an example. She is a very successful attorney, and she could care less as long as the time is right and the price is right. This holds true for the MEH Connect service and the DCI service. She is just tickled pink that she now can buy a first class seat on DCI. Point is the consumer is price conscious and except for the minority will not book around the DCI product. As Sailing has stated there are only a few ways to force the business case away from small lift. It needs to be financially beneficial for the corporation, contractually prohibited, or there needs to be some legislative interjection. DAL has proven time and again that DCI is not good but good enough. Because of this, the above factors need to be where the energy and resources are allocated. I'm not suggesting that our CEO should publicly "belittle" DCI. Yes, that would be dumb. But constantly crowing about it and making proclamations about how it is equal to mainline... well that's just misleading at best, irresponsible at worst, and certainly doesn't give me any warm and fuzzy feelings that Delta is trying to back off with outsourcing. You bring up an excellent point about DAL management having done everything they can to "blur the lines" between DCI and mainline. They've done a good job of blurring those lines to the point where most of our customers don't realize they are not on a Delta flight. So when things go bad on those flights, Delta gets all the blame for it. We are running off customers and that's a hard thing to quantify. I have sat next to many frequent flyers who flat out told me they are booking around DCI. I think it happens more than you are giving it credit for. |
Its not hard to blur the lines sadly.
I think the solution is a new DCI, called Delta Air Lines. Smallest jet should be a E175 and/or CRJ900. That'd be great. But we're beating a dead horse thinking it will turn into seabiscuit by nightfall when in reality it will just become Secretariat Glue. :( We should, however, hold the line on C2012 at a minimum, maybe knock DCI down to max 69 seats, and let circumstances eat DCI on its own. And rejoice for however many DC9s and what have you don't get parked but get painted and refurbished. And we need hellp form UCAL, if they don't hold CAL's scope and if we did succeed in reducing DCI then it will be 2000 all over again, he with the most RJs gets more frequency, more reach, blah blah blah. Capacity discipline is the key, having enough to not kill our profits while not so little as to allow new competition that could do it cheaper. I guess in that sense, one plane = one dot on the screen = less room for people we don't control is not a bad thing to do- right now. This is all KC10s fault. :D We need to appoint someone to fix this, I appoint... scoop. |
Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
(Post 857310)
There are other rumors on other websites stating we are going to get more 747-400s, and hire another 500 pilots. Anyone else hearing stuff like this? Sounds good.
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Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 857199)
ts,
Sometimes people need to be told that they are acting like an ass, this is one of them. Re-read my post in a way that views the poster (me) as being friendly and helpful in a nice way. Read the posts I was responding to. Read the subsequent posts. Go back to bed and wake up on the other, nicer side of the bed. Thanks. New K (No time for fighting with people who want to fight over stupid ummm, crap.) By the way, I was told and have experienced that Delta is a captains airline, in a GOOD way. That's what I meant. |
Originally Posted by JABDIP
(Post 857405)
Thru Aug we have had 164 retirements for the year which included a couple of high prip months Jan and May. There were 126 pilots that turned 60 and stayed around for the year. Alllowing for the high prip months it seems that the trend is more pilots are staying rather than do the sensible thing and retire at age 60. Anyone know the total of over 60 guys out there? I have heard it is as high as 900.:(
Looking at the May 2010 projected retirements list, it looks like 408 guys with birthdays before Aug 18 1950 (making them over 60). Obviously, some of them could have retired since then. Sure would be nice to have them junior to us as newhires rather than old captains (and first officers) sticking around... :( |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 857432)
Crow eaten. I apologize. It was just that over the past couple of days, I watch a Redwood baby bus... uncountable Jetblue busses taxiing single engine and NOT ONE DAL bus running fewer than both... inbound and outbound. It is demoralizing.. then I read your post... Yours was just stating what I now take for granted as normal operations and I read it as being a wimp. My bad. I'll eat some of that lutefisk when I see you.. and I'll like it.
Ts, it's all good. We're cool. :D New K |
Originally Posted by F-90 Driver
(Post 857396)
If Delta wants to get out of the regional business, are they just going to let all of the smaller markets go to the competition?
Smaller markets such as: SLC-SFO SLC-SAN JFK-ORD CVG-PHL I could go on here for hours, but I think the point is obvious - RJs are needed on some routes, on others, not so much. Scoop |
Originally Posted by JABDIP
(Post 857405)
Thru Aug we have had 164 retirements for the year which included a couple of high prip months Jan and May. There were 126 pilots that turned 60 and stayed around for the year. Alllowing for the high prip months it seems that the trend is more pilots are staying rather than do the sensible thing and retire at age 60. Anyone know the total of over 60 guys out there? I have heard it is as high as 900.:(
I heard that at the roadshows they said by the end of 2010 there would be 900 guys over Age 60, and by the end of 2011 there would be 1300. A moving target for the staffing to figure out. Good Luck to them. :p |
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