No prob. :)

What on Earth are you talking about? Would you please contact management/ALPA and ask them what you were talking about when you posted this?

You need to stick to the management/ALPA talking points dude. When you go off on your own, you're incoherent.

Carl

Please do it before the end of JAN - Would make training SOOO much easier!!

Baja.

Yes- would be none too surprised to see people leaving wn to come here in the next 5 years due to the entire contract/qol.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.....regardless SWA's contract is not good enough. We need better, plus you can't just slap SWA's contract on the table and say that's what we want. We are 2 completely different airlines.

If you didn't know, we are currently operating under a contract which is basically a BK contract. If we are to help restore this career we need to get a contract better then SWA, not settle for what they have.

Nope-no sarcasm whatsoever. I fully expect that due to new contract improvements, many people at southwest (among others) will think of leaving there and coming here, that's all. I implied that the contract will be better in many/most ways and not simply "equal." :)

Just a couple of points....

1) the CAL pre-merger offer to CAL mgt. was roughly 10% MORE than the SWA (incl. 737-800 TA) rates.

2) The UCAL ALPA rate proposal is even more than the pre-merger rate proposal (how much more is unknown to anyone except the JMEC and JNC), plus other gains proposed.

3) CAL has a frozen but still paying AND 12.75% DC
4) UAL has a 16% DC
5) AA has a smaller but working pension AND 11% DC
6) FDX has SOLID pension AND 7% DC

7) AA is on ice, but has new leadership and is trying to find a way to get a deal (they will be forced to come off the 53% increases, but hopefully UCAL will give them a great benchmark to land on top of)

8)FDX is getting ready to start hiring and they are also about to exchange openers at a profitable company....FWIW cargo margins are a lot lower than they used to be, but still pretty solid.

9) Airtran pilots yet another LCC will be brought up to SWA levels.


ANYBODY WHO WANTS "SWA PAY" AT DAL IS SHOOTING WAY WAY WAY TOO LOW.

IN ALL LIKELIHOOD WE WILL BE AIMING AT A REALISTIC OPENER OF SWA +25-30%, 17-20%DC, PLUS OTHER CHANGES FOR THE BETTER!


**IMHO, the UCAL, AT/SWA merger contract, AA contract and FDX contract are all up for renewal and possibly getting signed BEFORE we even exchange openers........
That is why I think that the MEC has not come out with a "target/mission statement of goals for C1012" YET.....
I think they are afraid of not asking for enough at the outset and then getting blamed for being not demanding enough. I'm glad I'm not part of the upcoming MEC, its a real rock and a hard place.

Good to hear everybody is safe.

Not sure I'm following your logic here. If you think +53% is so outrageous that AA "will be forced" to come off of it, then how do you come up with the idea that we should be aiming at a "realistic opener" of SWA +25-30%?

SWA's current 12 year Captain rate is $210. Our current 12 year 737 Captain rate is $168. SWA + 30% would yield a rate of $273. It would take a 63% increase to our current 737 Captain rate to bring it up to $273.

Last time I checked, 63 is greater (and some would say "less realistic") than 53. (And just to be clear, I totally agree that this would be an appropriate increase for us.)