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FYI,

Flew with a check-airman. He told me more ERs coming out of the desert, thus more hiring.

Also, company is researching the viability (it looks great and almost a sure thing) to standardize the cockpit of the 7er and 767-400. Thus creating ONE category.

TYG

Mem9guy

12-30-2010 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 922713)

Sounds interesting, but wouldn't folks already on the 737/767/747 complain that their pay rates didn't go up nearly as much as the others brought up?

As I like to remind my kids, "fair and equal are not the same thing."

The main thing that I see is that if we don't adress the change in retirement methods from "final average earnings" to "time value of money," we are making the career earnings of everyone future or junior worth less. If we flatten out the career pay curve a little bit, we increase the value of a Delta Pilot's career without needing a "bigger piece of pie" from the company.

FrankCobretti

12-30-2010 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mem9guy (Post 922697)

Since pay has been discussed here lately, I just wanted to dig this one up and throw it out again to see what people think...

I'm very receptive to exploring this kind of setup.

CVG767A

12-30-2010 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mem9guy (Post 922697)

Since pay has been discussed here lately, I just wanted to dig this one up and throw it out again to see what people think...

While I think it's a not a bad idea to migrate in that direction, it seems that to do it in one fell swoop would cost too much in other areas of the contract. I'd be curious to see the idea costed out, though.

The idea that the company would save in training costs is, I think, vastly overblown. I doubt that too many guys make the smaller seat changes for money. My guess would be that basing, schedules, and seniority in category plays a much larger role.

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Originally Posted by Mem9guy (Post 922720)

As I like to remind my kids, "fair and equal are not the same thing."

Perceived fairness in this case would probably depend on the equipment you currently fly. I can't imagine many 737, 757, 767, 747, or 777 pilots clamoring for this system.

johnso29

12-30-2010 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 922666)

Are those numbers accurate? I thought we were closer to 600 hours.

I think 800 hours is the current DAL pilot yearly average. Pre BK it was 600 hours.

Mem9guy

12-30-2010 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 922730)

The idea that the company would save in training costs is, I think, vastly overblown. I doubt that too many guys make the smaller seat changes for money. My guess would be that basing, schedules, and seniority in category plays a much larger role.

I agree with you on this. While I do think that it would impact the training cycles, I don't think that it would be huge. Like you brought up, pay is just one piece in the decision to bid to a different piece of equiptment.

johnso29

12-30-2010 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 922678)

I am not asserting that our contract is as good as SWA contract either. To accept the current SWA contract as our next contract is however not going to be nearly enough for me to vote yes. If we offered the SWA contract to management I would bet they would jump on it and except instantly. I am however asserting that the differences between the contracts are not nearly as great when you look at all items. I expect at a very minimum SWA payrates plus a few percent and to keep the good things we have in our contract like the 14% retirement contribution. In fact I expect that number to go up into the 16 to 18 Percent range not remain at 14. Offer Delta management the SWA contract and they will have a party over in the GO that will last for weeks!!!

Agreed. SWA's contract is NOT what we want. We want better, & I want to fly LESS in a year for my $$$. Guys shouldn't have to worry about breaking guarantee each month.

CVG767A

12-30-2010 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 922735)

I think 800 hours is the current DAL pilot yearly average. Pre BK it was 600 hours.

Thanks for the info--

johnso29

12-30-2010 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tenyearsgone (Post 922714)

fyi,

flew with a check-airman. he told me more ers coming out of the desert, thus more hiring.

also, company is researching the viability (it looks great and almost a sure thing) to standardize the cockpit of the 7er and 767-400. Thus creating one category.

Tyg

Bring em on!!! :D

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