Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 922671)

Point taken. But how much is the carrying cost of a pilot? 10K/yr, 15K/yr, 20K/yr? Regardless, its not near the compensation difference we currently realize.

$40/hr + approx 40K/yr profit sharing

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 922678)

To accept the current SWA contract as our next contract is however not going to be nearly enough for me to vote yes.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 922638)

I'm sure Carl, 88, and the others of your ilk will be along momentarily to provide the same type of editorial of your personal comment that they provide when a guy who doesn't agree with them cross the line...:rolleyes:

Oh boy. Here we go again.

btw, nice law firm you selected.:p Maybe in the interest of transparency you can show their historical billing statements for the management teams they've assisted...or maybe just USAPA...:D

Originally Posted by Mem9guy (Post 857925)

The Captain I was just flying with and I just spent several legs discussing this very idea. We came up with a 3 tier system.

First bring the DC-9 (will now be a 125 seater with the parking of the 30's and 40's,) MD-88, MD-90, 320/319, 737 700/800, all into one tier based on the current 737 rates.

Next tier would be the 757/7ER tier based on current 767 pay.

Finally a widebody tier for the 767-400, 330, 777, 787, 747 based on 747 pay rates.

Coupled with good international and redeye types of overides.

We felt that this would do several things for our pay system:

Reduce training cycles as there would be less chasing of payrates.

Provide marketing with the ability to plan routes with labor costs being less variable. Planners love "fixed costs"

Help to move us from a pay system that was set up to maximize "final average earnings" in the last 5 years for a pension based retirement to a system that gives a more steady increase over the average career to fit the current defined contribution system that favors "time value of money" for retirement.

Only three aircraft types to discuss at the negotiating table as all others would slot into one of these.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 922638)

I'm sure Carl, 88, and the others of your ilk will be along momentarily to provide the same type of editorial of your personal comment that they provide when a guy who doesn't agree with them cross the line

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 922638)

btw, nice law firm you selected.:p Maybe in the interest of transparency you can show their historical billing statements for the management teams they've assisted...or maybe just USAPA...:D

Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 922680)

I have no idea what the carrying cost of a pilot is, but I'm sure it's a fraction of what it was in 2004.

I agree with you; we have a serious amount of catching up to do in 2012. A lot of the anguish we now see regarding scavenging for hours every month would go away, if our pay rate was where it should be.

Originally Posted by Nosmo King (Post 922694)

Maybe in the interest of transparency DALPA can publish their Flight Pay Loss numbers in writing.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 922690)

WN payrates alone are what should be considered, and probably their rigging. They make SERIOUS soft money over there.

RSV rules are terrible. 14 short calls a month, no long call.