Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-09-2011 | 01:34 PM
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Why would anyone need that deal? Is it in our long term strategic interest to outsource more flying to a jet with better operating economics than a MD88? Would there be more Delta pilots hired with, or without that deal? What makes D-ALPA more powerful by representing the most pilots? Does management really need that relief to by an airplane? Why do pilots have to buy airplanes through scope concessions? Seems counter intuitive to me.
I would try to educate myself of the deal. If my initial response turned out to be correct, I would poll my Reps. If any of them sounded like they were even going to consider it, I would try to convince them not to and ask for their commitment. If I was unpersuasive, I would launch a recall and try to get them out of office before they had a chance to vote on outsourcing more Delta flying. I would ask friends in other Councils to do the same.
No more outsourcing, not one more seat, not one more pound. Delta can operate these airplanes with Delta pilots. We have at least 300 guys already typed on that equipment. No more scope deals, unless it recovers Delta jobs to Delta Air Lines. We'll take flying back. No more sales.
Of course, most scope deals are done in the dark. Politicians are pretty good at hiding these acts of legerdemain until it is a fait accompli. But, Delta pilots have their sources too. Delta hires leaders. As Delta hires more pilots who are experienced in the ways of outsourcing the level of political activism will rise. Eventually they will get their hands on the tiller and ALPA will take a swerve for the right, towards a more conservative union which focuses on its representational foundation.
I would try to educate myself of the deal. If my initial response turned out to be correct, I would poll my Reps. If any of them sounded like they were even going to consider it, I would try to convince them not to and ask for their commitment. If I was unpersuasive, I would launch a recall and try to get them out of office before they had a chance to vote on outsourcing more Delta flying. I would ask friends in other Councils to do the same.
No more outsourcing, not one more seat, not one more pound. Delta can operate these airplanes with Delta pilots. We have at least 300 guys already typed on that equipment. No more scope deals, unless it recovers Delta jobs to Delta Air Lines. We'll take flying back. No more sales.
Of course, most scope deals are done in the dark. Politicians are pretty good at hiding these acts of legerdemain until it is a fait accompli. But, Delta pilots have their sources too. Delta hires leaders. As Delta hires more pilots who are experienced in the ways of outsourcing the level of political activism will rise. Eventually they will get their hands on the tiller and ALPA will take a swerve for the right, towards a more conservative union which focuses on its representational foundation.
01-09-2011 | 02:01 PM
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It is on it's way. Skywest management have been up in Seattle most of the past three weeks. Expect Skywest to announce flying CPA under the Alaska Express moniker in the not distant future. Again, because Alaska Airlines ALPA have not locked down scope, more regional flying is about to be expanded onto the market.
01-09-2011 | 02:13 PM
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You also fail to see the context of the posts, and the word "education." Many of the guys I fly with have no clue we even have a AS code share, have no clue what the AF/KLM/JV entails, and lastly, see RJ's as RJ's and really give them no thought except that they keep getting bigger. Some do realize that, leverage is leaving the list though, but not as many as I would like to see.
Realistically Carl, I ask them what they want they tell me, and when they say Pay no matter what, I ask them a few questions, ask them what they know about scope, etc. It is hardly an one sided discussion, and is never confrontational, but I know you would never believe that.
Sorry to bust your chops the way I do, but I've always been offended by people that talk from all sides of their mouths. I know where you're coming from, and you clearly don't like it when I say so. I don't know whether you're more mad about me saying it, or because I notice.
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01-09-2011 | 02:23 PM
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By far the best thing we could all do is stop this divisive nonesense about senior pilots having ruined the industry. And senior pilots selling scope thus forcing you to lose decades of longevity at the majors, etc. None of it's true. I and others won't have to keep factually criticizing it, if it wasn't done.
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01-09-2011 | 02:28 PM
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I would try to educate myself of the deal. If my initial response turned out to be correct, I would poll my Reps. If any of them sounded like they were even going to consider it, I would try to convince them not to and ask for their commitment. If I was unpersuasive, I would launch a recall and try to get them out of office before they had a chance to vote on outsourcing more Delta flying. I would ask friends in other Councils to do the same.
No more outsourcing, not one more seat, not one more pound. Delta can operate these airplanes with Delta pilots. We have at least 300 guys already typed on that equipment. No more scope deals, unless it recovers Delta jobs to Delta Air Lines. We'll take flying back. No more sales.
Of course, most scope deals are done in the dark. Politicians are pretty good at hiding these acts of legerdemain until it is a fait accompli. But, Delta pilots have their sources too. Delta hires leaders. As Delta hires more pilots who are experienced in the ways of outsourcing the level of political activism will rise. Eventually they will get their hands on the tiller and ALPA will take a swerve for the right, towards a more conservative union which focuses on its representational foundation.
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01-09-2011 | 02:35 PM
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I engage him, just like I engage others. He is a Delta pilot, and has an opinion. I disagree with a great many things he says, but at least he is being honest. I do think he has his anger directed in the wrong direction, but again, that is his choice. The reality is that there are probably more pilots than just ole Carl that feel this way.
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01-09-2011 | 02:42 PM
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That being said, Carl abrasiveness raises a few eyebrows.
What happened at NWA between the folks who kept their full pensions intact and the others who did not has brought out a lot of anger. Most of that was from the more junior pilots most affected, not the other way around.
What happened at NWA between the folks who kept their full pensions intact and the others who did not has brought out a lot of anger. Most of that was from the more junior pilots most affected, not the other way around.
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01-09-2011 | 02:48 PM
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While we're at it, we can also face up to the good that's been done as a group. Paying the medical premiums of our furloughed brothers and sisters, sending our DC contributions to the bottom half of the list, etc. Those are all good things to be remembered...not slandered.
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01-09-2011 | 02:55 PM
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Standard question though: What are you willing to pay to (theoretically) get those guys to pull the handles? And.... and this is a really big aaaaaand.... what guarantee do we have that if we get them some kind of medical bridge that they actually WILL pull the handles... Answer: none. There is no guarantee, so I for one don't want to spend squat to get them a better deal.
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