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Old 01-14-2011 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I'm trying to swap with the pot a 4 day on 1/21 for a 5 day on 1/22. The current denial reason is that the swap is 'not allowed until next months schedules come out'......

Any ideas why next months schedule would effect a swap with the pot for the CURRENT bid month. It's not a SPILL trip.
The system won't let swaps within the last six days of the bid period - I think because reserve pilots may spill over to the next month, so they need to make sure they have the coverage. I know, I know, you're trying to pick up more flying than you're dropping...
Old 01-14-2011 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Pilot cost sources are from talking to the union reps. There is no real secret there on what the contract costs are. Total costs for the company are out of the 10Q reports. Easy to goggle and look them up. Employee expenses are about 30 percent of the cost to run the airline and pilots are 1/3 of those costs. Nothing hard to look up or verify. In fact we will get 1/3 of the profit sharing pool since its based on income. Looks like that is going to be in the 100 to 120 million range depending on the 4th quarter for pilots.
I am not sure what you meant by PBS ect... As I mentioned we are a much larger group with the merger yet pilot costs are not much higher then premerger in 04. That is because of the things you mentioned and hundreds of other concessions.

Edit, From the annual report for 09 (10 not out yet) total expenses for Delta were 28 billion and change.
OK... fair enough. It is obvious that this should be important information for all of us about to enter a negotiations, right? So instead of all of us reinventing the wheel, and researching this and perhaps coming up with different numbers.. why doesn't the ASSociation come out with the comparison data? Just askin'...
Old 01-14-2011 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I'm trying to swap with the pot a 4 day on 1/21 for a 5 day on 1/22. The current denial reason is that the swap is 'not allowed until next months schedules come out'......

Any ideas why next months schedule would effect a swap with the pot for the CURRENT bid month. It's not a SPILL trip.
So there will not be any issues while they are running the bids (i.e. 30/7). You can't swap anything that falls within the last 6 days while they are running the bids.
Old 01-14-2011 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
The system won't let swaps within the last six days of the bid period - I think because reserve pilots may spill over to the next month, so they need to make sure they have the coverage. I know, I know, you're trying to pick up more flying than you're dropping...

Ok, just never knew that rule existed. Guess it could also cause a 30/7 issue too, depending on the rotation.
Old 01-14-2011 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
So there will not be any issues while they are running the bids (i.e. 30/7). You can't swap anything that falls within the last 6 days while they are running the bids.

That makes sense. Thanks.
Old 01-14-2011 | 10:36 AM
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Since I don't have my own schedule to look at, I took a look at the A's on the ER in DTW for Feb. Only 9 guys on reserve out of 209. Less than 5% reserves? Sounds kind of tight to me.
Old 01-14-2011 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
Since I don't have my own schedule to look at, I took a look at the A's on the ER in DTW for Feb. Only 9 guys on reserve out of 209. Less than 5% reserves? Sounds kind of tight to me.

Yep, the ER staffing is tight in most bases.
Old 01-14-2011 | 11:05 AM
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I just don't buy all this talk about the glory of the 757 and how no machine on earth can, now or ever, do what it does and it is sooooooooo irreplaceable and whatnot. Its a good plane but it is replaceable on most (if not all) routes that it does. Heck most of the routes that it does are also done by numerous other aircraft types. Yeah I guess that 4pm flight can only be done profitably by the 757 despite the fact that all other hourly flights are done by different aircraft types.

I'm sure there are a few "high and hot" places where the 757 is the best choice. But other planes can certainlly serve those markets too. If the 757 at the end of the day is just so awesome and amazing that no plane on earth can do what it does in a few select markets then we will pay to reskin as many as we need, and/or replace the ones that are doing routes that any plane can and does do all day long well before they cycle out, and reserve those for the special routes, and/or the market will build a plane that does what we and others need it to do. One or the other (or all of the above).

Again its a function of economics. The 757 has a cost and a payload in every market. There is a cost to reskin them as well as to replace them early on less mission critical routes to preserve limited cycles for the routes we need. Other planes can do the routes that the 757 does but may not be able to carry as much and that has a cost. All these costs will factor into the equation and we will end up just fine. We're not going to see a massive route extinction across our network just because the pilot group's sentimental favorite plane that looks cool and climbs awesome becomes by its definition too expensive to reskin and the aircraft market doesn't exactly duplicate what it does. Even if the retirement of the 757 means we will have to replace those few routes it radically outperforms other equipment with other equipment, that by no means will result in us abandoning very many markets, if any.

Its a great airplane. Boneyards are filled with great airplanes. But we will be able to replace, or afford to keep, whatever plane is best for the market...757 or something else, and the sun will rise the next day.
Old 01-14-2011 | 11:31 AM
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Rumor has it yesterday at DTW's base visit it was mentioned that part of the reason the past AE was delayed was because the proposed FTDT rules will effect it. Not sure how(especially since I'd think there would be an implementation period) but take it FWIW.
Old 01-14-2011 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Rumor has it yesterday at DTW's base visit it was mentioned that part of the reason the past AE was delayed was because the proposed FTDT rules will effect it. Not sure how(especially since I'd think there would be an implementation period) but take it FWIW.
Any more rumors from the DTW meeting?... it's awfully quiet here today.
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