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Old 01-14-2011, 09:05 AM
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Dude... really? the 738 or A32X as a 757 replacement?
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I haven't piloted either, but it would be a huge mistake to replace the 757 permanently with one of those two options.
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Old 01-14-2011, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by sinca3 View Post
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I haven't piloted either, but it would be a huge mistake to replace the 757 permanently with one of those two options.
I would say it is an impossibility. I am pretty sure the 737 cannot go from CVG to CDG... just a guess though.
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Old 01-14-2011, 09:17 AM
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Sources please. Also how do these numbers break down wrt vacations/PBS efficiencies gained etc etc.... This is important. If you are pulling these numbers out of thin air, you have no credibility. If they are hard facts, there is a ton of ammunition there to negotiate a staggering contract in the coming negotiations. I for one would like to see the comparison.
Pilot cost sources are from talking to the union reps. There is no real secret there on what the contract costs are. Total costs for the company are out of the 10Q reports. Easy to goggle and look them up. Employee expenses are about 30 percent of the cost to run the airline and pilots are 1/3 of those costs. Nothing hard to look up or verify. In fact we will get 1/3 of the profit sharing pool since its based on income. Looks like that is going to be in the 100 to 120 million range depending on the 4th quarter for pilots.
I am not sure what you meant by PBS ect... As I mentioned we are a much larger group with the merger yet pilot costs are not much higher then premerger in 04. That is because of the things you mentioned and hundreds of other concessions.

Edit, From the annual report for 09 (10 not out yet) total expenses for Delta were 28 billion and change.

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Old 01-14-2011, 09:41 AM
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I would say it is an impossibility. I am pretty sure the 737 cannot go from CVG to CDG... just a guess though.


This one can!
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Old 01-14-2011, 09:51 AM
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Some CA schedules are out.
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Old 01-14-2011, 10:03 AM
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I'm trying to swap with the pot a 4 day on 1/21 for a 5 day on 1/22. The current denial reason is that the swap is 'not allowed until next months schedules come out'......

Any ideas why next months schedule would effect a swap with the pot for the CURRENT bid month. It's not a SPILL trip.
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Old 01-14-2011, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
I'm trying to swap with the pot a 4 day on 1/21 for a 5 day on 1/22. The current denial reason is that the swap is 'not allowed until next months schedules come out'......

Any ideas why next months schedule would effect a swap with the pot for the CURRENT bid month. It's not a SPILL trip.
The system won't let swaps within the last six days of the bid period - I think because reserve pilots may spill over to the next month, so they need to make sure they have the coverage. I know, I know, you're trying to pick up more flying than you're dropping...
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Old 01-14-2011, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Pilot cost sources are from talking to the union reps. There is no real secret there on what the contract costs are. Total costs for the company are out of the 10Q reports. Easy to goggle and look them up. Employee expenses are about 30 percent of the cost to run the airline and pilots are 1/3 of those costs. Nothing hard to look up or verify. In fact we will get 1/3 of the profit sharing pool since its based on income. Looks like that is going to be in the 100 to 120 million range depending on the 4th quarter for pilots.
I am not sure what you meant by PBS ect... As I mentioned we are a much larger group with the merger yet pilot costs are not much higher then premerger in 04. That is because of the things you mentioned and hundreds of other concessions.

Edit, From the annual report for 09 (10 not out yet) total expenses for Delta were 28 billion and change.
OK... fair enough. It is obvious that this should be important information for all of us about to enter a negotiations, right? So instead of all of us reinventing the wheel, and researching this and perhaps coming up with different numbers.. why doesn't the ASSociation come out with the comparison data? Just askin'...
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Old 01-14-2011, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
I'm trying to swap with the pot a 4 day on 1/21 for a 5 day on 1/22. The current denial reason is that the swap is 'not allowed until next months schedules come out'......

Any ideas why next months schedule would effect a swap with the pot for the CURRENT bid month. It's not a SPILL trip.
So there will not be any issues while they are running the bids (i.e. 30/7). You can't swap anything that falls within the last 6 days while they are running the bids.
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Old 01-14-2011, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer View Post
The system won't let swaps within the last six days of the bid period - I think because reserve pilots may spill over to the next month, so they need to make sure they have the coverage. I know, I know, you're trying to pick up more flying than you're dropping...

Ok, just never knew that rule existed. Guess it could also cause a 30/7 issue too, depending on the rotation.
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