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Old 01-14-2011 | 06:05 PM
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The 757 is tall enough that you could hang a pair of big round GTFs on her. I wonder how long it would take to crank up the 757 line again.
Old 01-14-2011 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
The 757 is tall enough that you could hang a pair of big round GTFs on her. I wonder how long it would take to crank up the 757 line again.
That'd be nice!!

Except it'd take away from 737 orders and well, its the new Boeing. The one that thought going to Chicago was a good idea.
Old 01-14-2011 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Is Delta hiring right now for 2011? Or not yet?

None prob until at least the middle of the year I'd say.
Old 01-14-2011 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The new rules would actually increase the FO's positions on the 7ER. Yes you can fly more hours before you have to carry the relief FO but the duty day limits if you are not acclimated are to short to allow that. Most of the current two man trips out of JFK will have to go to 3 pilots. The only way the company could avoid it would be to make them 4 day trips instead of 3. This might meet the acclimatization requirement but the increase in 1 for 3.5 credit would probably keep the company from going that route.
Regardless however I don't think this has anything to do with the new rest rules. This bid is to cover flying this summer long before the new rest rules will go into effect. Its not likely the company will even know what they will end up being by summer.
I hope you are right on that. Especially that most of the current 2 man trips will have to go to 3 man. While I knew there was some circadian protections in the proposal, I thought when I read them that those only applied to instances where you could redice below today's 3 or 4 man requirements. IOW, there would be some instances where you could reduce because of the time changes, but no times where you would have to add beyond today's required crew numbers.

As for the company pulling the AE to tweak based on F&DT rules that no one knows what they will be or when they will be it, other than a vague 3 year rollout, that seemed less than likely. Either that was total BS, or if there was any truth to it, the only reason I could see would be an impending ATA windfall.

So if this AE really is about covering summer flying, and we're not adding many if any pilots for the summer (even late spring/early summer hiring doesn't add line ready pilots for several months) then I wonder how this AE will shape up. Simply adding widebody positions (which I've heard will be the case) may be necessary, but even a tiny increase in summer flying over 2010 would have the narrowbody fleets bursting at the seams even with agressive green slips. Taking guys out of the narrowbodies to buff the widebody rosters would compound things even worse.

Just isn't adding up to me unless we hire and hire soon. Unless its just about a base alignment/transfer with no significant change. I guess we'll see next month.
Old 01-14-2011 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
The 757 is tall enough that you could hang a pair of big round GTFs on her. I wonder how long it would take to crank up the 757 line again.
I wonder if Boeing has been asked...
Old 01-14-2011 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Does anyone know what "removed during shuffle" means in the PBS results?

My first trip choice was "removed during shuffle".
Second went to a senior bidder and I was given my 3rd choice (all Asia/NRT trips).

My first choice trip was a carryout/slop and then I also had 12 or so domestic trips to fill up the remainder of the month. I'm assuming that the combination of my Asia trip and the domestic trips wouldn't give a result so it used the one Asia that's not a carryout?

Guess I shouldn't have split it up into 2 bid groups. The second bid group had my generic commands, but I'd always heard that shuffle is a good thing.......if you don't give it a lot to shuffle.

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PBS is very step by step. If it gets to the end of the bid group and you do not have a line within the LCW, or min or max window if you've specified it and are senior enough to hold it, PBS will shuffle. Shuffling is essentially a substitution process to find a combination of pairings to fit within the window and give you a legal line without having to go to the next step of denial.

Try PBS Overview and go to frame 16/37 under Regular Line processing.
Old 01-14-2011 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Ferd, It means that you did not bid a specific trip, and to compete a line of time for a junior guy they removed your awarded trip and assigned another trip that fit your parameters so that they could fill the junior bidder up with a full LOT.

(At least that is why the PBS gurus told me it meant. I could be wrong )
Not true

Under the Delta system PBS will swap a trip from a senior to a junior pilot, but only if the trip is equally satisfying to the senior pilot in the context of his bids. Let's say that there are 5 trips that satisfy a senior pilot's preferences and PBS awards two of those trips because they fit. Now let's say that PBS gets to the junior pilot and he asked for one of those two trips awarded to the senior pilot, either generally or specifically. PBS will try to make the swap and give the senior pilot one of the other trips that it could have given him in the first place, but it is only trying to improve the junior pilot's bid if it will not come at the expense of the senior pilot.

Shuffling is basically a process to find a combination of trips that will fit and does not look at junior pilots. My answer to Ferd is here: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...tml#post930334
Old 01-14-2011 | 07:05 PM
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Now the SHORT MCO layover hotel is nice.
Old 01-14-2011 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I was one that hated the old MCO overnight, but I never wrote a formal complaint. However, the 30 hr PHF I love(d) because its 15 min from my paents house in Yorktown. Yes... I'm selfish.
I don't know why people complained about the MCO hotel. The hotel was clean, in a safe area, and it was located near everything you could possibly want via the city trolley. The timing of the trolley was reasonable and I believe it was free. And of course, the free hotel cookies !!!

Newport News, not so much. My room had boogers on the wall, and the mold growing in the wall paper was an added touch. The closet doors were off the hinges and stacked up against the wall. The chair in the room was torn in multiple places, and had many prominent bodily stains (edited to keep a PG rating). The hotel's restaurant (and that's an insult to call it a restaurant), served the worst breakfast bar and food I've ever had from a hotel.

But it gets better. Within reasonable walking distance, you have a steakhouse (which wasn't recommended that we go there by the hotel staff) that opens after 6pm, a pancake house, and a gas station. The pancake house owner says to me as I walk in, "you must be a Delta MD88 pilot?" "Yes, I am, how did you know that?" "Because NOBODY walks down this road but you guys." You don't even have fast food options available. Everything else requires a car because of the distance and/or the sidewalks end.

The insult to injury is that the ride to the hotel takes a minimum of 20 minutes; yet, there are malls, shopping, entertainment, good hotels, every restaurant you would want located ONE exit away from the airport. Go figure.
Old 01-14-2011 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
I don't know why people complained about the MCO hotel. The hotel was clean, in a safe area, and it was located near everything you could possibly want via the city trolley. The timing of the trolley was reasonable and I believe it was free. And of course, the free hotel cookies !!!

Newport News, not so much. My room had boogers on the wall, and the mold growing in the wall paper was an added touch. The closet doors were off the hinges and stacked up against the wall. The chair in the room was torn in multiple places, and had many prominent bodily stains (edited to keep a PG rating). The hotel's restaurant (and that's an insult to call it a restaurant), served the worst breakfast bar and food I've ever had from a hotel.

But it gets better. Within reasonable walking distance, you have a steakhouse (which wasn't recommended that we go there by the hotel staff) that opens after 6pm, a pancake house, and a gas station. The pancake house owner says to me as I walk in, "you must be a Delta MD88 pilot?" "Yes, I am, how did you know that?" "Because NOBODY walks down this road but you guys." You don't even have fast food options available. Everything else requires a car because of the distance and/or the sidewalks end.

The insult to injury is that the ride to the hotel takes a minimum of 20 minutes; yet, there are malls, shopping, entertainment, good hotels, every restaurant you would want located ONE exit away from the airport. Go figure.
Yeah, that layover just never made any sense to me. There is a McDonald's within about a 20 minute walk from the hotel. Other than that, you pretty much covered it. There used to be a BBQ place down the street too, but I think it went out of business. The first time I stayed there, the van driver recommended the BBQ... he was really raving about it. It tasted like (but not quite as good as) that BBQ in a plastic container you buy in the grocery store. I'm not surprised they went out of business.
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