oh its not that bad. just more of a surprise that leads to a "now how can I use that" moment. Then Buzz starts talking about C141s and there's your opening.

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The quickest, easiest, way for you to begin your review is to begin with the NWA Zip Lines. Chairman Mark McClain in his publication dated 18 October 2004 provided a synopsis of their tentative agreement which was designed to allow Northwest (now Delta) to achieve "safe harbor" by avoiding bankruptcy. This publication illustrates the pattern that was established and repeated in concessionary bargaining until our Companies emerged from bankruptcy and merged.

Here is a thumbnail. Northwest was seeking cost savings and the savings were negotiated and allocated as follows:

• Pay Reductions $161 million
• Sick leave $3.8 million
• Medical / Dental Insurance co pays $9.2 million
• Allowing the company to roll down balance sheet charges on pension funding (not a pension change an accounting change) $72 million
• Scope - $15 million ... in this paragraph the Northwest MEC takes credit for being the first to receive dollar credits for such a provision.

Unfortunately Northwest Airlines did not avoid bankruptcy on the basis of these pilot concessions and what was intended to be an off property 70 seat operation staffed by Northwest pilots became Compass and now has been flipped to Trans States. That is the story on the E175's.I see where you are coming from. Judges have broad authority and talk tough when trying to compel parties to reach an agreement. Judges also get overturned on appeal. ALPA's history at the Courthouse is unfortunately abysmal ... a symptom of lawyers who practice politics more than law. I am in no position to gauge how serious our Reps felt the threat was.

We agree that an agreement was reached by mutual consent. That is the factual history. The results speak for themselves and what gets stated at a public hearing and what happens behind closed doors are entirely different. Depositions, past practice and ALPA publications descriptive of the process used during concessionary bargaining seem clear to me.

PM sent with regard to the Delta negotiations. No need for collateral damage over something that happened years ago... and to my F-NWA friends, my apologies for airing your dirty laundry while keeping mine tucked away.

...and where is Nosmo King when there is work to be done for his fellow pilots? Hiding behind his mommy's skirts.

.... speaking of those who are ignorant of history...

There I was...sitting Bravo alert in Frankfurt, Germany. I'd been to Sachsenhausen the night before so I'd filled my quotient of beers and brats, and the obligatory Doner Kabab at midnight. Standing by in the hotel at Rhein Main waiting for my phone to ring and to spring to answer democracy's call and leap my C-141 into the skies...and then I met FTB and 80. Seems my past life was, now, not so full...I have met my match and I am teamed with fellow warriors at least as able as I. Ahh, but the elders shall instruct their young...nay, nay, the young shall teach their elders.

Prost my lads!

Good Job? Where does...and what does a fly by of the tower accomplish? has he done this in the sim? Does the tower know what they are looking at? Stupid move IMHO

Have to laugh a little about that one, makes me think about Maverick. Maybe he had been waiting a long time to buzz a tower and here he had his chance! :D Maverick the later years.

ICEMAN - The Later Years from NiNo

You guys are masters of photo shop I think. Keeps me entertained though.:cool:

Hey Buzz, you ever think about writing a book? :D

24 hours after Buzz had his fill of beer and brats, he saved Uncle Sam $$$ on several buckets of flares:D

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