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Nosmo King 01-20-2011 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 933246)
It is my understanding that at the next MEC Meeting the Flight Pay Loss Committee will be taking input and giving recommendations.


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 933296)
Scambo?

Duuuude...not an insider. I am and always have been a line pilot. Volunteered for a committee many years ago, didn't have a mustache. I would also like to see FPL data posted monthly on the DALPA website.


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 933423)
It is not a deflection, it is an answer to the status of the Committee created by a Resolution from a LEC.

My question made no reference to a Committee.

sailingfun 01-20-2011 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 933334)
That is a mischaracterization (to put it nicely). Delta followed the same model NWA did with similar results. It remains a fact that no Judge has ever invalidated a scope clause.

A negotiation took place where scope relaxation was monetized in the form of bargaining credits and distributed amongst other parts of the contract(s).

The Negotiator's Notepad publications, ZipLines and Testimony all document what happened.

Can you post a link to those documents. What you have posted goes directly against what those involved in the process told me. Where did all these monetized credits go? I did not see any improvements anywhere in the contract. Your saying it was going to be worse?
I try and read every document from the union. I never saw one that stated they were able to trade scope for other improvements at Delta.
As far as a judge invalidating scope its never really been a issue so of course no judge has ruled on it. If you go back and read the court transcripts if they are still available you will see the judge seemed to have no question in his mind it was within his authority.

sailingfun 01-20-2011 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 933396)
Ferd, not sure if it had anything to do with having the stones to run it, but with each merger it seems that the acquiring company has a corporate headquarters basis, whereby the route structure is systematically deconstructed favoring a preconceived model based on data developed for and by the corporation (you don't know what you don't know). When NWA took over REP, they de-emphasized PHX and LAS, when you downsize the hubs, less traffic and eventually they are taken virtually out of the system; it confirms the corporate think tank..."see, the traffic has dropped off to virtually nothing..just as we predicted, good thing we pulled out of those money losing stations." I we know what happened to PHX and LAS and I predict the same for MSP, CVG and possibly MEM.
As far as history, I'm a big believer in those who ignore it, will repeat it!
Took the Banana Boat to survival school!


Just curious, How did NW's cost structure in PHX and LAS compare to SWA at the time? Could that perhaps have had something to do with losing those hubs?

iceman49 01-20-2011 03:43 PM

Could be, don't believe that they had much of a presence at that time in those spots in 86.

forgot to bid 01-20-2011 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 933370)
Thanks, but I do have to admit I was looking for flight attendant pictures. There are a couple of senior mommas in LAX (and commute from PHX) that I would love to embarrass with yellow gogo boot pictures:D

google image searches can be very entertaining. Within the last week I had brained my damage on something and threw in the word CNNSI in the images.google.com search instead of in the address window. Go ahead and give it a whirl and see what comes up.

Ferd149 01-20-2011 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by Going2Baja (Post 933415)
I was looking the other day for "flight attendant on airbus cockpit desk." Couldn't seem to find one. LOL!!

Baja.

I'll turn you onto better sites.............just make sure your wife is in the other room:D

Ferd149 01-20-2011 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 933488)
google image searches can be very entertaining. Within the last week I had brained my damage on something and threw in the word CNNSI in the images.google.com search instead of in the address window. Go ahead and give it a whirl and see what comes up.

I'll try that on my travel laptop, I wouldn't put it past Joe Momma to look at my surfing history on my office puter:D

Ferd149 01-20-2011 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 933396)
Ferd, not sure if it had anything to do with having the stones to run it, but with each merger it seems that the acquiring company has a corporate headquarters basis, whereby the route structure is systematically deconstructed favoring a preconceived model based on data developed for and by the corporation (you don't know what you don't know). When NWA took over REP, they de-emphasized PHX and LAS, when you downsize the hubs, less traffic and eventually they are taken virtually out of the system; it confirms the corporate think tank..."see, the traffic has dropped off to virtually nothing..just as we predicted, good thing we pulled out of those money losing stations." I know what happened to PHX and LAS and I predict the same for MSP, CVG and possibly MEM.
As far as history, I'm a big believer in those who ignore it, will repeat it!
Took the Banana Boat to survival school!

You're right, and something I've been nervous about since the merger. But, I've been encouraged by the growth in Asia (757s to ROR, MNL, and a 767 down to CAN plus bigger jets to other places). But, every time I see an Alaska jet headed between HNL and PDX or SEA I want to go over at key it. Also, how much more can we pack into that bag called ATL........ie, the increased utilization on this AE?

Overall, I'm encouraged..........now if they will just put more flying into LAX:D

buzzpat 01-20-2011 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 933509)
Overall, I'm encouraged..........now if they will just put more flying into LAX:D

Yes, puhleeze!:D

n9810f 01-20-2011 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 933441)
Just curious, How did NW's cost structure in PHX and LAS compare to SWA at the time? Could that perhaps have had something to do with losing those hubs?

SWA wasn't big enough at that time to be viewed as a equal competitor. They had barely entered CA from PHX. And in CA it was still PSA's market as USAir had not blown it to smithereens yet.


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