Originally Posted by ronnie75 (Post 933223)

Not sure if this was said or not, but that senior person taking a VD can only use the seniority of the person they "saved" to move about the system, not their own. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 933249)

Last thing I want to do is talk to her pool boy..........and we don't have a pool:D

Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 933253)

Can't find that mentioned in the contract. If true, then the VD will take the seniority of the very last person in the category, which doesn't make sense to me.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 933236)

Its time to start getting it back or there will be no lasting gains from our C12K or any other contract if all we are left with is fighting over the scraps we left ourselves while such a massive portion of our flying is being perpetually shopped to the lowest bidder.

Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 933253)

Can't find that mentioned in the contract. If true, then the VD will take the seniority of the very last person in the category, which doesn't make sense to me.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 933236)

You mean the threat, which has never been carried out much less carried out and upheld in their favor, to use the 1113 process to gut scope.

Outsourcing was given up out of fear in bad times and out of greed in good times. And there was plenty of scope given up in the good times as well, of course, scope recapture in good times that was never attempted as the focus was always on "so and so plus" CBA's even and especially at the expense of scope.

Even if the 1113 excuse was 100% valid, which it isn't, it would be cancelled out and then some by the numerous "restoration" and "taking it back" and "summer of love" and "parity plus" and "choke the golden goose" contracts that passed by sizable margins in good times at all the legacy airlines. Outsourcing has now reached critical mass. Its time to start getting it back or there will be no lasting gains from our C12K or any other contract if all we are left with is fighting over the scraps we left ourselves while such a massive portion of our flying is being perpetually shopped to the lowest bidder.

Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 933264)

Reminds me of a story back in my active duty days. We had to show extremely early and unfortunately the mission was slipped 24 hours.

As I pulled into the parking lot early the next day, I parked next to our mission commander's truck (he was a LtCol). I could see that he was asleep inside. As I gathered my deployment bags etc, he woke up and slowly started to gather his stuff and exit his truck. He looked very tired as if he had a rough nights sleep. I asked him how long he'd been asleep there. He said to me, "I couldn't go home yesterday. I know the wife's boyfriend would be there and I'd rather not meet him." I said to him laughing, "You're kidding right?" He looked at me in a serious tone and said, "Does it look like I'm kidding?"

Good times.

Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 933253)

Can't find that mentioned in the contract. If true, then the VD will take the seniority of the very last person in the category, which doesn't make sense to me.

Originally Posted by Nosmo King (Post 933218)

Let me correct this for you sailing.

There are however pilots on here who can't post a single good thing about DALPA/ALPA.

By the way, why is it that sailing and slow and scambo and the other ALPA insiders always disappear whenever the words "Flight Pay Loss released to constituents in written format" are mentioned.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 933291)

I can't cite the contract part, but here's the way I understand it:
Suppose there is 1 displacement in your category.
You are the number one guy in your category (7ER captain for example), and you could hold 777 captain.
You cannot displace to the 777 A seat unless the most junior guy (the one that would be involuntarily displaced) can hold that seat. After that, your normal seniority rights apply.