Vikz09

so when the floor is set for mainline planes there is nothing in the contract that allows for 3 more rj's for every mainline plane? The reason I ask is... is because that is not what was told to me by a lec rep at the msp lec1 meeting in march. He said the reason it was not a good idea to bring Compass's 36 airplanes to the mainline is that this would trigger mainline growth and therefore allow DCI carriers to add a 3 for 1 scenerio. I have no idea about the Delta DALPA JPWA but it seems like these union officals better get on the same page. I promise if there is a loop hole or uncertainty the company will try and exploit it.

FlyDL

I disagree. Brand consistency and consistency of appearance is very important to Delta. It doesn't reflect well to take a casual approach. I don't like wearing a jacket in the heat, should I take it off? Hey, let's take the tie off too. Maybe a T-shirt on Fridays. Do you see where I'm going with this? Don't be caught without the hat.

MD80

Great posting! The airline pilots profession needs more people thinking like this.

Lee Moak and ALPA National think alike. He will help kill our profession and lower us down the economic ladder.

acl65pilot

The argument that it is bad for mainline is weak. First, if we take CPS in to the fold and add them to the list, the amount of jets will be reduced by 36. They would have to agree to it. Two, if you look at the numbers they only have 32 more airframes they can buy before they hit the 255 jet max. Even though they would prefer to have 255 76 seat jets, the economics to not make sense to trade in a 70 for a 76 seat jet. The economics are just not there to do that. Because of this, you will only see 32 more jets ordered under the DCI brand that have more than 69 seat in them. Maybe at sometime there will economic to support trading in a jet that has only 70 seats to buy a 40 million dollar jet with six more seats, but it is not currently there.

Of course if all we were going to do was take a one decisional view to this it would be worse for the DAL pilots. Are we that stupid? I hope not. We know we would need adjust to section 1. That has been known from day 1.

johnso29

How about Hawaiian Shirts instead of T-Shirts? If it's Hawaiian Shirts I'm all for it!

JK. I do think wearing the hat without the blazer looks dorky. I don't think the hat should be worn without the blazer.

Bucking Bar

That vote surprises me coming from a junior base.

Any feel for who was there and why they voted yes? A yes vote was as good as a vote for more outsourcing.

Ferd149

Brand consistency is a weak argument at best. The vast majority of our customers pick a carrier based on price or time of departure, and ergo could care less about what we wear. We have numerous studies that verify this. Take a look at our business customers, do they look up from thier blackberrys long enough to notice what you are wearing? I doubt it.

As far as a shirt with out a tie, I think that is a great idea. I think short sleeved shirts with a tie is goofy and looks like a used car salesman. Plus....the most PROFESSIONAL uniform wearing people in the world, the US military, don't wear ties with short sleeved shirts.

Just my humble opinion...........

Ferd

Vikz09

I am not saying anything about adding compass to the seniorty list. never once did i mention that in my post. I feel Delta's MEC is making a big mistake buy not wanting to have cohesion with Compass. there is a real possibility that if Delta furloughed you would be removing pilots from one MEC and putting those Delta pilots to Compass with another MEC. How is this a good thing? As it stands now Compass is nothing more then a good safty net and that safty net is represented by the same MEC. I guess i don't understand the hard line against Compass we never asked for anything more then what was negoiated for us by our NWA MEC. It was COMPASS pilots that voted down the resolution by mainline pilots that requested a immediate staple. Why because it's not the right thing todo to achieve solidarty. What we asked was for a little time to meet the Delta pilots and let them see the unique structure between NWA and Compass. It is not the same as Delta and Comair. I guess some people only want to take parts of the contract and obligations between NWA and Compass to the new Delta.

For once in this industry a mainline and regional had aligned interests and the fact our MEC's were so close, with aligned interest's. Now we want to take that solidarity and throw it out the window. BRILLIANT.

Bucking Bar

Vikz09 - you are correct.

Desperado

Hat etiquette
“He can’t think without his hat.”

Samuel Beckett, Waiting for Godot

What’s the current thinking about men wearing hats indoors?

Growing up, I was taught that a gentleman takes off his hat whenever he enters a building. Therefore I wasn’t surprised when, in an early episode of The Sopranos, Tony takes offence at a fellow diner’s wearing a baseball cap in an upmarket restaurant. The restaurant owner is embarrassed but powerless so Tony walks over to the table and “persuades” the (initially reluctant) young man to remove his cap. I took this as evidence that David Chase, the show’s writer/producer, believes the rule about not wearing hats inside still holds firm.

But in The Face of Fu Manchu (1965), Sir Nayland Smith, the eminent Scotland Yard detective, leaves his hat on throughout a lengthy conversation in a suspect’s office. Though, given that he takes off his hat in every other interior scene, this single instance might signify contempt for the criminal class.

This morning I saw some news footage of Saddam Hussein meeting with his generals. They were all wearing their berets in the conference room whereas Saddam was bareheaded. He does have a hat though, which he wears whenever he holds his rifle in one hand and fires a few shots into the air whilst celebrating his weapons of mass destruction. In this case, he’s outside—on a balcony or a podium. Saddam clearly understands hat etiquette though his generals seem not to. Perhaps he’s just too well-mannered to order them to take their hats off during meetings.

I know how Saddam feels. In a Flash class I taught a month ago, two of the students wore their baseball caps the entire time. Even if I hadn’t felt like the restaurant owner in The Sopranos, I could hardly ask them to take off their caps because at the end of the course I had to hand each student their free baseball cap!

So, is it acceptable for men to wear hats indoors? I followed Michael Webb’s advice and asked AnswerBus, a natural language search engine.

The most useful response was a complete guide to hat etiquette by Gary Warth, staff writer for The Village Hat Shop. Although Mr Warth doesn’t actually answer the question—no doubt he’s reluctant to offend prospective customers who see nothing shameful in wearing a hat indoors—his reveals his true sympathies by quoting Miss Manners and Emily Post:

“Hat-wearers must be careful when putting something on the hatband… Anything put on the band of a man’s hat must be on the left side, and anything on a woman’s hatband must be on the right.”
“Women should keep their hats on in homes holding christenings, weddings and funerals, because in those occasions the house is treated as if it were a house of worship.”
“A gentleman must take off his hat when a woman enters an elevator in an apartment building or a hotel, as those are considered dwellings. He puts it on again in the hall, because a public corridor is like a street. In public buildings, however, the elevator is also considered public, and the hat can stay on.”
“Men tip or lift their hat only to strangers, not to friends, although a man would lift the hat if he encountered his wife. A hat also is tipped to a woman when passing in a narrow space or when the man speaks to her. If a man runs into a female acquaintance, he must take his hat off when talking to her, but can put it back on if they start walking.”
Tony Soprano understood: a society with no respect for hat etiquette is only a step away from lawlessness.